codekasten/WdpF/Yes-Men-Uebersetzung/Dan

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Jeez, this is terrible.

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It's the stupidest.
I can't--

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It's an hour's difference.
The time zone is different here.

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Fuck. It's unbelievable.
How the fuck can that happen?

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Okay. Here.

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Okay, there. That's done.
Now what?

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Okay. Got it. Okay.

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Pull it up.

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Okay, now let's get your...

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A few years ago, we wanted to...

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try to help out with some activist's
anti-corporate activities.

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And we heard about this website
called rtmark.com.

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And we went there, and they--

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they handed us a domain name--
gwbush.com--

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and asked us if we might like
to make a website

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that was critical of George Bush.

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Because George Bush's real
domain name was georgewbush.com.

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And this was 1999,
so it was just during the campaign

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when he was beginning
to run for president.

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And we didn't really know
quite what to do,

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so we went to Bush's website
and looked at it.

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And it turned out to be full
of strange hypocrisies, like,

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for example, he called himself
"The environmental governor of Texas,"

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but we looked a little closer
at his record and found out

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that he had actually created
the most polluted state in the country

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because he dismantled
the Clean Air Laws while he was there.

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And, actually, that's, I guess,
what he's doing now nationally.

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So we thought,
"Well, this kind of hypocrisy

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we can easily poke fun at
by making a satire website."

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And we made this satire website
that looked exactly like Bush's

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except for a few key differences.

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Like there was a photo on the banner--

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instead of him and his wife
in front of the capitol building in Texas,

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we showed him pointing the finger
at black people.

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And this seemed to get him
a little bit angry.

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So the Bush campaign
tried to shut us down

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by sending us
a cease and desist letter

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and by complaining
to the Federal Election Commission.

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But we were able
to just take those threats

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and send them to the media.

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And immediately the <i>New York Times</i>
wrote an article,

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and there were a whole bunch
of other articles.

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In fact, one reporter
read these articles and,

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at a press conference,
asked Bush,

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"So, what about this website--
gwbush.com--what do you think of that?"

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So it was all over the place.

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A lot of people read about it,

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including a guy who had another
domain name called gatt.org.

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And, of course, GATT is the
Global Agreement on Tariffs and Trade,

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and it's the predecessor agreement
to the World Trade Organization.

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And he said,
"If you could do this for Bush,

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then maybe you can
also do this for the WTO."

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The WTO is supposed to be
sort of a United Nations of commerce,

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a conglomeration
of all these countries in the world...

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that get together every now and then
to discuss trade policies

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in how exactly goods will be bought
and sold throughout the world.

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I'm sure, originally,
the stated purpose of the WTO

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was to help these countries
who are developing

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so that, you know, the world community
can help raise them out of poverty.

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In fact, what it's done is
it's allowed large corporations

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to go in and exploit these people
even further

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so that Americans
become even wealthier

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and the people in these countries
continue to struggle to get by.

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And I think that's--
at this point it's upset quite a few people.

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So I gotta try
and remember where Sal lives.

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It's a little bit complicated. There's, like,
this snaking road up over the hills.

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And who is Sal?

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Sal is a friend who I met in San Diego,

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and he moved to L.A.
to work in the movie industry,

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and that's why now he does,
actually, costuming professionally.

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He builds, like, weird suits

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out of pretty much
any material you can imagine.

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And so, when we needed a costume,
I knew who to call.

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Yeah, this is it. Yeah.

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I'll maybe bring him his mail, actually,
as long as we're at it here.

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- Yeah--I don't like it.
- Okay.

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It looks too much like sex stuff
instead of--it's not very modern-looking.

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Remember, this is the future.
This isn't about, like, straps and stuff.

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That's like dungeons and torture
in the past.

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The costume
is a manager's leisure suit.

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And the idea is that Hank Hardy Unruh,

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the representative
from the World Trade Organization,

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is going to go and wear
this breakaway business suit

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that's gonna be pulled off of him

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during the middle
of the keynote address to the conference.

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And then a big inflatable phallus
is going to emerge from this golden suit,

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and on the end of it is a TV screen

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that he uses
to manage sweatshops remotely.

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The reason we got invited
to these things

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is we have a website
called gatt.org.

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The gatt.org website looks a lot
like the WTO website,

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but it is critical of the WTO.

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Most people, though,
who find gatt.org

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by searching
for the World Trade Organization...

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will go without reading it
and will send us e-mail directly.

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So a lot of people ask us
weird questions about tariffs and trade,

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and we try to answer
as accurately as we can.

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And occasionally invitations come in

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from official
or quasi-official organizations

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asking for opinions
or asking us to attend a conference.

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And so, when they ask, they really think
they're talking to the WTO,

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and we respond by giving them
what we think they want--

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which is the opinions of the WTO--

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as accurately
as we can represent them.

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You know what I'm thinking,
actually, looking at this...

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is that maybe this is a zipper.

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Yeah! Yeah, yeah.

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Then he just unzips it
and pulls the thing at the same time.

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- That could be really good.
- Because...

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to have it burst out of the Velcro,
it might not be strong enough to burst out,

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and then he'd have to pull it.

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Part of the thing
that gives us the courage

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to go to Tampere...
with this really absurd suit

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is that we already went
to Salzburg, Austria, to represent

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the World Trade Organization
at a conference on tariffs and trade.

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There, our representative--the same guy
who is Hank Hardy Unruh here--

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was Dr. Andreas Bichlbauer there.

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And he gave a lecture that focused

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on basically doing away with
all customs in the name of free trade,

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like getting rid of the <i>siesta</i>
in Spain and Italy

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so that business hours
could be the same.

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In Italy, on the other hand,
you have a totally different situation,

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in which sleep is...done during
the day as much as at night almost.

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And allowing people to sell their votes
over the Internet to the highest bidder

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so that the barriers to free trade
and things like votes were out of the way.

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One possible solution is being tested
in the field of American politics

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to streamline the grotesquely
inefficient system of elections.

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Vote-auction.com, in turn,
employs only four people

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to transmit not merely information,

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but actual money
directly to the consuming voter.

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It's a--a forum for people voluntarily
to offer their vote to the highest bidder.

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And despite giving what we thought

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was a lecture that would immediately
get us booed off stage

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or get Bichlbauer
maybe even thrown in jail

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because people would figure out
he was an impostor,

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the exact opposite happened.

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Everybody was super polite.

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It didn't seem like everybody even noticed
that what he said was so absurd.

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Well, so far...

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...we thought Bichlbauer
would be very extreme

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and people would react to it
and we'd get shut down,

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and nothing of the sort happened.

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So...this time we just have to really
push it and make it totally extreme.

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I mean, we keep trying
to push things further

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to try to really clarify the positions
of the WTO to make them very legible.

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It's one back,
but this--this is good.

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<i>Andy.</i>

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It has a terrible siren.

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I have to check the Web
when we get upstairs.

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Oh, my God. What are we
gonna do about this--

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we gotta watch the Patrick video.

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It's weird stuff, isn't it?

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That's one way of putting it.

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It's really a problem.

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It seems about the weirdest
I've seen from him ever, I think.

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It looks pretty good on this.

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Yeah, it's all right.

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What we have here is that we have
our cyber Andy here

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who's going to be wearing the suit.

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And I'm going to be showing
all the different ways

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in which the Management Leisure Suit
can be useful in industry today

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and maximize leisure potential.

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Sometimes I don't think they know
what the hell to expect out of me.

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What I'll come up with...

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is frequently not exactly
what they had in mind,

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but it's...you know,

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it fits in perfectly with what they're--
what they're going to do.

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Well, I came out
of a corporate environment

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and a company that I really gave,
you know, a good bit of my soul to

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over a long period of time progressively.

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And there were a lot of downsizings
and, of course,

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the company I was with I thought
was gonna take care of me.

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And I realized
that the bottom line is the bottom line,

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and there really isn't any humanity
in corporate structures,

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so therefore I hope that maybe
being part of the Yes Men

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might, in some way, help raise issues
about global work issues

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and social issues that are being
brought about by globalization, etcetera.

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I grew up in the suburbs here,

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and then I moved to Troy six years ago
for a job at the university.

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There's a place there called Rensselaer
Polytechnic Institute, and I teach there.

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I was moving back home, really,
because I'd been away--

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I'd been on the West Coast
for about 12 years.

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Wait, what is this?

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This is--it's this...

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...SimCopter hack.
Here it is.

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I wanted to watch this tape
'cause this is the tape--

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I've been cleaning out the archives,
and I found this tape in there.

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I met Andy through a friend, actually.
A mutual friend.

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Actually, two people
that we both knew

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suggested that me and Andy
get in contact with one another

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because we'd both
done similar projects.

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One of the jobs that I had was
at this games company called Maxis

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that makes SimCity.

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One of the games they were making
at the time was SimCopter.

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I was in charge of the little people
that run around in the game.

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And I made them
wearing nothing but swim trunks.

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They'd all be boys, and they'd
be running around kissing each other.

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So all the people who ordered
this very popular video game

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suddenly were treated
to a completely different spectacle.

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So he got a lot
of press attention for it,

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and it was seen as a kind of--
an activist kind of statement

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about video games and the sort
of macho nature of them.

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It all involves
the unexpected appearance

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of some gay, kissing muscle men
every Friday the 13th.

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He's becoming a celebrity of sorts
in the computer world--

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especially the gay computer world.

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And then I had done a project
using Barbie dolls,

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where we switched the voice boxes
of Barbie dolls and G.I. Joes.

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<i>Troops! Attack that Cobra jet</i>
<i>with heavy firepower!</i>

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And that ended up in G.I. Joes that
said things like, "I love to shop with you,"

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and Barbie dolls that said things like,
"Dead men tell no lies."

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And we got them back
on store shelves

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all over the country in what we called
our "Shop Giving Program."

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We're like Santa Claus,
only less radical,

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because Santa Claus
breaks into people's houses. We don't.

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So that when kids
got them at Christmas,

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they were surprised to find their doll

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saying something other
than what they expected.

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And the kids thought it was hilarious.
They loved having these crazy dolls.

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We sent out press releases,

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so it was in the news on Christmas Day
and for the week following.

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It just went through every kind
of media channel imaginable.

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<i>- The B.L.O...</i>
<i>- The Mission of the B.L.O...</i>

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<i>The Barbie Liberation Organization--</i>
<i>the B.L.O...</i>

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<i>It was real funny 'cause it looks</i>
<i>like, "Come on, fight me. Fight me!"</i>

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<i>- Except it says...</i>
<i>- I love school. Don't you?</i>

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<i>Let's sing with the band tonight!</i>

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Now we're--with the Yes Men,

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we're calling that sort of basic idea
"Identity Correction,"

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like saying, these things--

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these things that are not
really presenting themselves honestly

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or that hide something about their nature
that's really scary,

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we want to bring that out.

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We want to show that.
We want to demonstrate that.

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And so, like for the WTO--

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we think that the WTO

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is doing all these terrible things
that are hurting people

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and they're saying the exact opposite.

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And so we're interested
in correcting their identity.

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In the same way that an identity thief
steals somebody's identity

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in order to basically
just engage in criminal practices,

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we target people
we see as criminals,

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and we steal their identity
to try to make them honest

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or to try to present
a more honest face.

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And so...you know,
I guess this whole thing

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has its roots for both me and Andy

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in stuff that we've been doing
for a long time,

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which is trying to create public spectacles
that, in some kind of poetic way,

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reveal something about our culture
that's profoundly a problem.

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That must be Sal.

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- Oh, dude.
- Are you okay?

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I got fuckin' lost on that...

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Oh, no.

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It's been a long day.

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Holy shit!

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Well, I probably started it
in June or July.

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So, on and off
for a good two to three months.

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Just a couple more pieces
of Velcro, and that'll really be it.

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And, yeah, we're...
at the end of the line.

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Okay, look.
So we're making a list here.

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Wednesday we leave
for Finland early,

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so, Sunday...

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make lecture.

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Bigger?
Oh, no. That's a big one.

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PowerPoint...
and then speech.

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Finish.

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It's 4:03 a.m., and I guess
I'll just keep working until morning.

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I feel...somewhat awake.

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And then Andy can take over again.

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We can do
around-the-clock shifts, I guess.

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I'm just trying to add a few slides
into the PowerPoint here.

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Because, actually, a lot of the things
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say in relation to these issues
are actually sort of very similar

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to what Unruh Hank Hardy says,

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even though maybe Unruh Hank Hardy
is a little bit more frank about it.

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And, in fact,
when he talked to CNBC,

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when he was debating,

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an activist, Barry Coates,
just sort of agreed with what he said

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when he said that this is what
the WTO does, and this is our position.

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And Barry Coates said,
"Well, that's funny. That's exactly right."

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So...after Salzburg, we got an e-mail
asking a representative of the WTO

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to appear on CNBC
MarketWrap Europe.

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And the producer apparently didn't notice
that gatt.org was not the WTO site.