1 00:00:33,380 --> 00:00:35,371 Jeez, this is terrible. 2 00:00:35,449 --> 00:00:37,508 It's the stupidest. I can't-- 3 00:00:39,052 --> 00:00:41,987 It's an hour's difference. The time zone is different here. 4 00:00:42,989 --> 00:00:46,584 Fuck. It's unbelievable. How the fuck can that happen? 5 00:00:46,660 --> 00:00:48,150 Okay. Here. 6 00:00:48,228 --> 00:00:50,492 Okay, there. That's done. Now what? 7 00:00:50,564 --> 00:00:51,895 Okay. Got it. Okay. 8 00:00:51,965 --> 00:00:53,455 Pull it up. 9 00:00:53,533 --> 00:00:55,967 Okay, now let's get your... 10 00:01:03,710 --> 00:01:07,373 A few years ago, we wanted to... 11 00:01:07,447 --> 00:01:11,042 try to help out with some activist's anti-corporate activities. 12 00:01:11,118 --> 00:01:14,281 And we heard about this website called rtmark.com. 13 00:01:14,354 --> 00:01:16,584 And we went there, and they-- 14 00:01:16,656 --> 00:01:19,489 they handed us a domain name-- gwbush.com-- 15 00:01:19,559 --> 00:01:21,686 and asked us if we might like to make a website 16 00:01:21,762 --> 00:01:23,821 that was critical of George Bush. 17 00:01:23,897 --> 00:01:27,628 Because George Bush's real domain name was georgewbush.com. 18 00:01:27,701 --> 00:01:31,296 And this was 1999, so it was just during the campaign 19 00:01:31,371 --> 00:01:33,498 when he was beginning to run for president. 20 00:01:33,573 --> 00:01:36,167 And we didn't really know quite what to do, 21 00:01:36,243 --> 00:01:38,575 so we went to Bush's website and looked at it. 22 00:01:38,645 --> 00:01:41,375 And it turned out to be full of strange hypocrisies, like, 23 00:01:41,448 --> 00:01:44,508 for example, he called himself "The environmental governor of Texas," 24 00:01:44,584 --> 00:01:47,678 but we looked a little closer at his record and found out 25 00:01:47,754 --> 00:01:51,212 that he had actually created the most polluted state in the country 26 00:01:51,291 --> 00:01:54,089 because he dismantled the Clean Air Laws while he was there. 27 00:01:54,161 --> 00:01:56,891 And, actually, that's, I guess, what he's doing now nationally. 28 00:01:56,963 --> 00:01:59,158 So we thought, "Well, this kind of hypocrisy 29 00:01:59,232 --> 00:02:02,395 we can easily poke fun at by making a satire website." 30 00:02:02,469 --> 00:02:05,199 And we made this satire website that looked exactly like Bush's 31 00:02:05,272 --> 00:02:07,604 except for a few key differences. 32 00:02:07,674 --> 00:02:10,165 Like there was a photo on the banner-- 33 00:02:10,243 --> 00:02:14,976 instead of him and his wife in front of the capitol building in Texas, 34 00:02:15,048 --> 00:02:17,915 we showed him pointing the finger at black people. 35 00:02:17,984 --> 00:02:21,579 And this seemed to get him a little bit angry. 36 00:02:21,655 --> 00:02:23,589 So the Bush campaign tried to shut us down 37 00:02:23,657 --> 00:02:25,648 by sending us a cease and desist letter 38 00:02:25,725 --> 00:02:28,125 and by complaining to the Federal Election Commission. 39 00:02:28,195 --> 00:02:30,459 But we were able to just take those threats 40 00:02:30,530 --> 00:02:32,964 and send them to the media. 41 00:02:33,033 --> 00:02:35,092 And immediately the <i>New York Times</i> wrote an article, 42 00:02:35,168 --> 00:02:37,102 and there were a whole bunch of other articles. 43 00:02:37,170 --> 00:02:39,832 In fact, one reporter read these articles and, 44 00:02:39,906 --> 00:02:42,238 at a press conference, asked Bush, 45 00:02:42,309 --> 00:02:45,904 "So, what about this website-- gwbush.com--what do you think of that?" 46 00:03:10,937 --> 00:03:12,268 So it was all over the place. 47 00:03:12,339 --> 00:03:13,931 A lot of people read about it, 48 00:03:14,007 --> 00:03:18,000 including a guy who had another domain name called gatt.org. 49 00:03:18,078 --> 00:03:21,241 And, of course, GATT is the Global Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, 50 00:03:21,314 --> 00:03:24,477 and it's the predecessor agreement to the World Trade Organization. 51 00:03:24,551 --> 00:03:26,951 And he said, "If you could do this for Bush, 52 00:03:27,020 --> 00:03:29,955 then maybe you can also do this for the WTO." 53 00:03:32,259 --> 00:03:36,491 The WTO is supposed to be sort of a United Nations of commerce, 54 00:03:36,563 --> 00:03:40,727 a conglomeration of all these countries in the world... 55 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,395 that get together every now and then to discuss trade policies 56 00:03:44,471 --> 00:03:50,239 in how exactly goods will be bought and sold throughout the world. 57 00:03:50,310 --> 00:03:54,076 I'm sure, originally, the stated purpose of the WTO 58 00:03:54,147 --> 00:03:57,878 was to help these countries who are developing 59 00:03:57,951 --> 00:04:02,479 so that, you know, the world community can help raise them out of poverty. 60 00:04:02,556 --> 00:04:05,787 In fact, what it's done is it's allowed large corporations 61 00:04:05,859 --> 00:04:09,351 to go in and exploit these people even further 62 00:04:09,429 --> 00:04:12,296 so that Americans become even wealthier 63 00:04:12,365 --> 00:04:16,699 and the people in these countries continue to struggle to get by. 64 00:04:16,770 --> 00:04:22,402 And I think that's-- at this point it's upset quite a few people. 65 00:04:37,557 --> 00:04:40,458 So I gotta try and remember where Sal lives. 66 00:04:40,527 --> 00:04:45,362 It's a little bit complicated. There's, like, this snaking road up over the hills. 67 00:04:45,432 --> 00:04:47,263 And who is Sal? 68 00:04:47,334 --> 00:04:51,202 Sal is a friend who I met in San Diego, 69 00:04:51,271 --> 00:04:55,002 and he moved to L.A. to work in the movie industry, 70 00:04:55,075 --> 00:04:59,239 and that's why now he does, actually, costuming professionally. 71 00:04:59,312 --> 00:05:01,473 He builds, like, weird suits 72 00:05:01,548 --> 00:05:04,813 out of pretty much any material you can imagine. 73 00:05:04,884 --> 00:05:08,183 And so, when we needed a costume, I knew who to call. 74 00:05:18,798 --> 00:05:20,129 Yeah, this is it. Yeah. 75 00:05:22,435 --> 00:05:26,838 I'll maybe bring him his mail, actually, as long as we're at it here. 76 00:05:27,641 --> 00:05:29,268 - Yeah--I don't like it. - Okay. 77 00:05:29,342 --> 00:05:34,245 It looks too much like sex stuff instead of--it's not very modern-looking. 78 00:05:34,314 --> 00:05:37,715 Remember, this is the future. This isn't about, like, straps and stuff. 79 00:05:37,784 --> 00:05:40,150 That's like dungeons and torture in the past. 80 00:05:40,220 --> 00:05:43,553 The costume is a manager's leisure suit. 81 00:05:43,623 --> 00:05:46,285 And the idea is that Hank Hardy Unruh, 82 00:05:46,359 --> 00:05:48,919 the representative from the World Trade Organization, 83 00:05:48,995 --> 00:05:52,897 is going to go and wear this breakaway business suit 84 00:05:52,966 --> 00:05:54,456 that's gonna be pulled off of him 85 00:05:54,534 --> 00:05:57,128 during the middle of the keynote address to the conference. 86 00:05:57,203 --> 00:06:01,435 And then a big inflatable phallus is going to emerge from this golden suit, 87 00:06:01,508 --> 00:06:03,442 and on the end of it is a TV screen 88 00:06:03,510 --> 00:06:06,775 that he uses to manage sweatshops remotely. 89 00:06:08,048 --> 00:06:10,107 The reason we got invited to these things 90 00:06:10,183 --> 00:06:12,413 is we have a website called gatt.org. 91 00:06:12,485 --> 00:06:16,285 The gatt.org website looks a lot like the WTO website, 92 00:06:16,356 --> 00:06:19,519 but it is critical of the WTO. 93 00:06:19,592 --> 00:06:21,753 Most people, though, who find gatt.org 94 00:06:21,828 --> 00:06:25,320 by searching for the World Trade Organization... 95 00:06:25,398 --> 00:06:28,890 will go without reading it and will send us e-mail directly. 96 00:06:28,968 --> 00:06:32,768 So a lot of people ask us weird questions about tariffs and trade, 97 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,239 and we try to answer as accurately as we can. 98 00:06:35,308 --> 00:06:37,367 And occasionally invitations come in 99 00:06:37,444 --> 00:06:41,175 from official or quasi-official organizations 100 00:06:41,247 --> 00:06:44,648 asking for opinions or asking us to attend a conference. 101 00:06:44,718 --> 00:06:48,381 And so, when they ask, they really think they're talking to the WTO, 102 00:06:48,455 --> 00:06:52,516 and we respond by giving them what we think they want-- 103 00:06:52,592 --> 00:06:54,992 which is the opinions of the WTO-- 104 00:06:55,061 --> 00:06:57,222 as accurately as we can represent them. 105 00:06:57,297 --> 00:06:59,959 You know what I'm thinking, actually, looking at this... 106 00:07:00,633 --> 00:07:03,227 is that maybe this is a zipper. 107 00:07:03,303 --> 00:07:04,361 Yeah! Yeah, yeah. 108 00:07:04,437 --> 00:07:07,167 Then he just unzips it and pulls the thing at the same time. 109 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,105 - That could be really good. - Because... 110 00:07:09,175 --> 00:07:13,168 to have it burst out of the Velcro, it might not be strong enough to burst out, 111 00:07:13,246 --> 00:07:14,941 and then he'd have to pull it. 112 00:07:15,348 --> 00:07:17,213 Part of the thing that gives us the courage 113 00:07:17,283 --> 00:07:23,347 to go to Tampere... with this really absurd suit 114 00:07:23,423 --> 00:07:26,415 is that we already went to Salzburg, Austria, to represent 115 00:07:26,493 --> 00:07:30,486 the World Trade Organization at a conference on tariffs and trade. 116 00:07:30,563 --> 00:07:35,762 There, our representative--the same guy who is Hank Hardy Unruh here-- 117 00:07:35,835 --> 00:07:38,770 was Dr. Andreas Bichlbauer there. 118 00:07:38,838 --> 00:07:40,772 And he gave a lecture that focused 119 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:45,675 on basically doing away with all customs in the name of free trade, 120 00:07:45,745 --> 00:07:49,306 like getting rid of the <i>siesta</i> in Spain and Italy 121 00:07:49,382 --> 00:07:52,112 so that business hours could be the same. 122 00:07:52,185 --> 00:07:55,313 In Italy, on the other hand, you have a totally different situation, 123 00:07:55,388 --> 00:08:01,054 in which sleep is...done during the day as much as at night almost. 124 00:08:01,127 --> 00:08:05,860 And allowing people to sell their votes over the Internet to the highest bidder 125 00:08:05,932 --> 00:08:10,665 so that the barriers to free trade and things like votes were out of the way. 126 00:08:10,737 --> 00:08:14,673 One possible solution is being tested in the field of American politics 127 00:08:14,741 --> 00:08:19,508 to streamline the grotesquely inefficient system of elections. 128 00:08:19,579 --> 00:08:24,573 Vote-auction.com, in turn, employs only four people 129 00:08:24,651 --> 00:08:27,085 to transmit not merely information, 130 00:08:27,153 --> 00:08:30,782 but actual money directly to the consuming voter. 131 00:08:30,857 --> 00:08:37,854 It's a--a forum for people voluntarily to offer their vote to the highest bidder. 132 00:08:37,931 --> 00:08:39,865 And despite giving what we thought 133 00:08:39,933 --> 00:08:43,266 was a lecture that would immediately get us booed off stage 134 00:08:43,336 --> 00:08:46,169 or get Bichlbauer maybe even thrown in jail 135 00:08:46,239 --> 00:08:48,639 because people would figure out he was an impostor, 136 00:08:48,708 --> 00:08:50,300 the exact opposite happened. 137 00:08:50,376 --> 00:08:52,037 Everybody was super polite. 138 00:08:52,111 --> 00:08:57,242 It didn't seem like everybody even noticed that what he said was so absurd. 139 00:09:18,938 --> 00:09:20,269 Well, so far... 140 00:09:21,708 --> 00:09:24,700 ...we thought Bichlbauer would be very extreme 141 00:09:24,777 --> 00:09:27,769 and people would react to it and we'd get shut down, 142 00:09:27,847 --> 00:09:30,247 and nothing of the sort happened. 143 00:09:30,316 --> 00:09:34,650 So...this time we just have to really push it and make it totally extreme. 144 00:09:34,721 --> 00:09:37,053 I mean, we keep trying to push things further 145 00:09:37,123 --> 00:09:43,062 to try to really clarify the positions of the WTO to make them very legible. 146 00:09:43,129 --> 00:09:45,597 It's one back, but this--this is good. 147 00:09:55,308 --> 00:09:56,798 <i>Andy.</i> 148 00:09:59,045 --> 00:10:00,535 It has a terrible siren. 149 00:10:06,119 --> 00:10:08,110 I have to check the Web when we get upstairs. 150 00:10:08,187 --> 00:10:10,121 Oh, my God. What are we gonna do about this-- 151 00:10:10,189 --> 00:10:12,623 we gotta watch the Patrick video. 152 00:10:13,693 --> 00:10:15,524 It's weird stuff, isn't it? 153 00:10:16,863 --> 00:10:18,524 That's one way of putting it. 154 00:10:18,598 --> 00:10:20,259 It's really a problem. 155 00:10:20,333 --> 00:10:24,599 It seems about the weirdest I've seen from him ever, I think. 156 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:28,871 It looks pretty good on this. 157 00:10:29,776 --> 00:10:31,038 Yeah, it's all right. 158 00:10:35,048 --> 00:10:39,109 What we have here is that we have our cyber Andy here 159 00:10:39,185 --> 00:10:42,120 who's going to be wearing the suit. 160 00:10:42,188 --> 00:10:45,783 And I'm going to be showing all the different ways 161 00:10:45,858 --> 00:10:50,693 in which the Management Leisure Suit can be useful in industry today 162 00:10:50,763 --> 00:10:54,927 and maximize leisure potential. 163 00:10:56,369 --> 00:10:59,634 Sometimes I don't think they know what the hell to expect out of me. 164 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,103 What I'll come up with... 165 00:11:04,177 --> 00:11:09,240 is frequently not exactly what they had in mind, 166 00:11:09,315 --> 00:11:12,580 but it's...you know, 167 00:11:12,652 --> 00:11:16,816 it fits in perfectly with what they're-- what they're going to do. 168 00:11:17,623 --> 00:11:19,955 Well, I came out of a corporate environment 169 00:11:20,026 --> 00:11:25,760 and a company that I really gave, you know, a good bit of my soul to 170 00:11:25,832 --> 00:11:28,232 over a long period of time progressively. 171 00:11:28,301 --> 00:11:31,429 And there were a lot of downsizings and, of course, 172 00:11:31,504 --> 00:11:35,099 the company I was with I thought was gonna take care of me. 173 00:11:35,174 --> 00:11:38,007 And I realized that the bottom line is the bottom line, 174 00:11:38,077 --> 00:11:42,480 and there really isn't any humanity in corporate structures, 175 00:11:42,548 --> 00:11:46,882 so therefore I hope that maybe being part of the Yes Men 176 00:11:46,953 --> 00:11:51,686 might, in some way, help raise issues about global work issues 177 00:11:51,758 --> 00:11:56,422 and social issues that are being brought about by globalization, etcetera. 178 00:11:59,098 --> 00:12:01,157 I grew up in the suburbs here, 179 00:12:01,234 --> 00:12:07,537 and then I moved to Troy six years ago for a job at the university. 180 00:12:07,607 --> 00:12:11,976 There's a place there called Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, and I teach there. 181 00:12:12,045 --> 00:12:14,377 I was moving back home, really, because I'd been away-- 182 00:12:14,447 --> 00:12:17,416 I'd been on the West Coast for about 12 years. 183 00:12:17,483 --> 00:12:18,643 Wait, what is this? 184 00:12:18,718 --> 00:12:21,050 This is--it's this... 185 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,022 ...SimCopter hack. Here it is. 186 00:12:25,091 --> 00:12:27,889 I wanted to watch this tape 'cause this is the tape-- 187 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,726 I've been cleaning out the archives, and I found this tape in there. 188 00:12:31,798 --> 00:12:34,892 I met Andy through a friend, actually. A mutual friend. 189 00:12:34,967 --> 00:12:38,130 Actually, two people that we both knew 190 00:12:38,204 --> 00:12:41,173 suggested that me and Andy get in contact with one another 191 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,572 because we'd both done similar projects. 192 00:12:43,643 --> 00:12:47,977 One of the jobs that I had was at this games company called Maxis 193 00:12:48,047 --> 00:12:49,776 that makes SimCity. 194 00:12:49,849 --> 00:12:54,513 One of the games they were making at the time was SimCopter. 195 00:12:54,587 --> 00:12:57,420 I was in charge of the little people that run around in the game. 196 00:12:57,490 --> 00:13:00,948 And I made them wearing nothing but swim trunks. 197 00:13:01,027 --> 00:13:04,428 They'd all be boys, and they'd be running around kissing each other. 198 00:13:04,497 --> 00:13:08,092 So all the people who ordered this very popular video game 199 00:13:08,167 --> 00:13:12,331 suddenly were treated to a completely different spectacle. 200 00:13:12,405 --> 00:13:14,600 So he got a lot of press attention for it, 201 00:13:14,674 --> 00:13:18,166 and it was seen as a kind of-- an activist kind of statement 202 00:13:18,244 --> 00:13:21,680 about video games and the sort of macho nature of them. 203 00:13:21,747 --> 00:13:23,681 It all involves the unexpected appearance 204 00:13:23,749 --> 00:13:27,150 of some gay, kissing muscle men every Friday the 13th. 205 00:13:27,220 --> 00:13:30,053 He's becoming a celebrity of sorts in the computer world-- 206 00:13:30,123 --> 00:13:32,182 especially the gay computer world. 207 00:13:32,258 --> 00:13:35,523 And then I had done a project using Barbie dolls, 208 00:13:35,595 --> 00:13:39,031 where we switched the voice boxes of Barbie dolls and G.I. Joes. 209 00:13:39,098 --> 00:13:43,262 <i>Troops! Attack that Cobra jet</i> <i>with heavy firepower!</i> 210 00:13:44,504 --> 00:13:48,998 And that ended up in G.I. Joes that said things like, "I love to shop with you," 211 00:13:49,075 --> 00:13:53,068 and Barbie dolls that said things like, "Dead men tell no lies." 212 00:13:53,146 --> 00:13:56,240 And we got them back on store shelves 213 00:13:56,315 --> 00:14:00,183 all over the country in what we called our "Shop Giving Program." 214 00:14:00,253 --> 00:14:02,084 We're like Santa Claus, only less radical, 215 00:14:02,155 --> 00:14:04,715 because Santa Claus breaks into people's houses. We don't. 216 00:14:04,790 --> 00:14:07,156 So that when kids got them at Christmas, 217 00:14:07,226 --> 00:14:08,955 they were surprised to find their doll 218 00:14:09,028 --> 00:14:11,360 saying something other than what they expected. 219 00:14:11,430 --> 00:14:15,423 And the kids thought it was hilarious. They loved having these crazy dolls. 220 00:14:15,501 --> 00:14:16,991 We sent out press releases, 221 00:14:17,069 --> 00:14:21,130 so it was in the news on Christmas Day and for the week following. 222 00:14:21,207 --> 00:14:26,008 It just went through every kind of media channel imaginable. 223 00:14:26,078 --> 00:14:28,842 <i>- The B.L.O...</i> <i>- The Mission of the B.L.O...</i> 224 00:14:28,915 --> 00:14:32,146 <i>The Barbie Liberation Organization--</i> <i>the B.L.O...</i> 225 00:14:32,218 --> 00:14:36,814 <i>It was real funny 'cause it looks</i> <i>like, "Come on, fight me. Fight me!"</i> 226 00:14:36,889 --> 00:14:39,619 <i>- Except it says...</i> <i>- I love school. Don't you?</i> 227 00:14:39,692 --> 00:14:41,023 <i>Let's sing with the band tonight!</i> 228 00:14:41,093 --> 00:14:42,754 Now we're--with the Yes Men, 229 00:14:42,828 --> 00:14:46,559 we're calling that sort of basic idea "Identity Correction," 230 00:14:46,632 --> 00:14:48,361 like saying, these things-- 231 00:14:48,434 --> 00:14:51,699 these things that are not really presenting themselves honestly 232 00:14:51,771 --> 00:14:55,434 or that hide something about their nature that's really scary, 233 00:14:55,508 --> 00:14:56,839 we want to bring that out. 234 00:14:56,909 --> 00:14:59,241 We want to show that. We want to demonstrate that. 235 00:14:59,312 --> 00:15:02,145 And so, like for the WTO-- 236 00:15:02,215 --> 00:15:04,046 we think that the WTO 237 00:15:04,116 --> 00:15:06,778 is doing all these terrible things that are hurting people 238 00:15:06,852 --> 00:15:08,843 and they're saying the exact opposite. 239 00:15:08,921 --> 00:15:11,913 And so we're interested in correcting their identity. 240 00:15:11,991 --> 00:15:15,483 In the same way that an identity thief steals somebody's identity 241 00:15:15,561 --> 00:15:19,395 in order to basically just engage in criminal practices, 242 00:15:19,465 --> 00:15:21,797 we target people we see as criminals, 243 00:15:21,867 --> 00:15:24,461 and we steal their identity to try to make them honest 244 00:15:24,537 --> 00:15:26,801 or to try to present a more honest face. 245 00:15:26,872 --> 00:15:29,864 And so...you know, I guess this whole thing 246 00:15:29,942 --> 00:15:32,433 has its roots for both me and Andy 247 00:15:32,511 --> 00:15:34,843 in stuff that we've been doing for a long time, 248 00:15:34,914 --> 00:15:38,577 which is trying to create public spectacles that, in some kind of poetic way, 249 00:15:38,651 --> 00:15:43,179 reveal something about our culture that's profoundly a problem. 250 00:15:58,371 --> 00:15:59,736 That must be Sal. 251 00:16:01,674 --> 00:16:04,006 - Oh, dude. - Are you okay? 252 00:16:04,076 --> 00:16:06,067 I got fuckin' lost on that... 253 00:16:06,145 --> 00:16:07,476 Oh, no. 254 00:16:09,515 --> 00:16:11,005 It's been a long day. 255 00:16:11,083 --> 00:16:12,482 Holy shit! 256 00:16:13,786 --> 00:16:18,723 Well, I probably started it in June or July. 257 00:16:19,358 --> 00:16:23,124 So, on and off for a good two to three months. 258 00:16:23,195 --> 00:16:27,131 Just a couple more pieces of Velcro, and that'll really be it. 259 00:16:27,199 --> 00:16:30,691 And, yeah, we're... at the end of the line. 260 00:16:33,606 --> 00:16:35,767 Okay, look. So we're making a list here. 261 00:16:35,841 --> 00:16:38,571 Wednesday we leave for Finland early, 262 00:16:38,644 --> 00:16:41,511 so, Sunday... 263 00:16:41,580 --> 00:16:42,911 make lecture. 264 00:16:42,982 --> 00:16:44,916 Bigger? Oh, no. That's a big one. 265 00:16:44,984 --> 00:16:51,150 PowerPoint... and then speech. 266 00:16:51,223 --> 00:16:52,281 Finish. 267 00:17:04,403 --> 00:17:11,070 It's 4:03 a.m., and I guess I'll just keep working until morning. 268 00:17:11,143 --> 00:17:13,475 I feel...somewhat awake. 269 00:17:13,546 --> 00:17:16,538 And then Andy can take over again. 270 00:17:17,983 --> 00:17:21,475 We can do around-the-clock shifts, I guess. 271 00:17:23,255 --> 00:17:28,090 I'm just trying to add a few slides into the PowerPoint here. 272 00:17:29,195 --> 00:17:34,690 Because, actually, a lot of the things that business leaders of the world 273 00:17:34,767 --> 00:17:39,170 say in relation to these issues are actually sort of very similar 274 00:17:39,238 --> 00:17:40,899 to what Unruh Hank Hardy says, 275 00:17:40,973 --> 00:17:44,875 even though maybe Unruh Hank Hardy is a little bit more frank about it. 276 00:17:44,944 --> 00:17:47,970 And, in fact, when he talked to CNBC, 277 00:17:48,047 --> 00:17:49,378 when he was debating, 278 00:17:49,448 --> 00:17:52,440 an activist, Barry Coates, just sort of agreed with what he said 279 00:17:52,518 --> 00:17:56,352 when he said that this is what the WTO does, and this is our position. 280 00:17:56,422 --> 00:18:01,086 And Barry Coates said, "Well, that's funny. That's exactly right." 281 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:09,090 So...after Salzburg, we got an e-mail asking a representative of the WTO 282 00:18:09,168 --> 00:18:12,228 to appear on CNBC MarketWrap Europe. 283 00:18:12,304 --> 00:18:18,971 And the producer apparently didn't notice that gatt.org was not the WTO site. 284 00:18:19,044 --> 00:18:25,347 And Granwyth Hulatberi, which is another name that Andy just came up with, 285 00:18:25,418 --> 00:18:28,012 responded and, of course, said, 286 00:18:28,087 --> 00:18:31,579 "Well, I'd be happy to go on CNBC MarketWrap." 287 00:18:31,657 --> 00:18:37,493 And the producer wanted him to debate an anti-globalization protester. 288 00:18:37,563 --> 00:18:43,661 If the WTO is serious about addressing the issues of world poverty, 289 00:18:43,736 --> 00:18:47,228 it would do things completely differently than it is now. 290 00:18:47,306 --> 00:18:50,901 Let me bring in Granwyth on that. Is that a fair point? 291 00:18:52,077 --> 00:18:56,480 Well, of course it is, but I think Barry, as well as all the other protesters, 292 00:18:56,549 --> 00:19:01,646 are simply, in a word, focused too much on reality and on facts and figures. 293 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,212 And I think I would have to say that this is a long-term problem 294 00:19:05,291 --> 00:19:07,782 that comes down to a problem of education. 295 00:19:07,860 --> 00:19:12,354 We have to find a way to convince perhaps not the protesters 296 00:19:12,431 --> 00:19:14,262 but the protesters' children 297 00:19:14,333 --> 00:19:20,067 to follow thinkers like Milton Friedman and Darwin and--and so on, 298 00:19:20,139 --> 00:19:23,074 rather than what the protesters have been reared on-- 299 00:19:23,142 --> 00:19:26,202 Trotsky and Robespierre and Abbie Hoffman. 300 00:19:26,278 --> 00:19:30,271 And I think that putting the direction of education, 301 00:19:30,349 --> 00:19:33,079 being put into private hands-- 302 00:19:33,152 --> 00:19:36,246 a concentration of resources in the private sector-- 303 00:19:36,322 --> 00:19:38,483 will naturally lead to this result, 304 00:19:38,557 --> 00:19:41,048 and we'll see the protesters' children being reared 305 00:19:41,126 --> 00:19:43,617 with an entirely different set of concerns. 306 00:19:43,696 --> 00:19:45,357 Let me bring you in on that, Barry. 307 00:19:45,431 --> 00:19:47,092 Can--can I just say 308 00:19:47,166 --> 00:19:49,361 that these kind of simplistic arguments 309 00:19:49,435 --> 00:19:53,098 are really, I mean, too insulting to most people to believe. 310 00:19:53,172 --> 00:19:56,903 The fact that we have a choice between Milton Friedman or Abbie Hoffman 311 00:19:56,976 --> 00:20:00,377 for where we get our source of economic history and philosophy. 312 00:20:00,446 --> 00:20:03,438 There are many, many thinkers from around the world-- 313 00:20:03,516 --> 00:20:06,007 just not those ones employed by the WTO-- 314 00:20:06,085 --> 00:20:09,953 that think the World Trade Organization policies are deeply damaging 315 00:20:10,022 --> 00:20:12,684 for the development prospects of the poorest countries. 316 00:20:12,758 --> 00:20:14,419 Let me go out to Granwyth. 317 00:20:15,961 --> 00:20:21,558 Yes. Well, I wanted to speak to Granwyth--sorry--to Barry's point 318 00:20:21,634 --> 00:20:23,124 that there are other thinkers. 319 00:20:23,202 --> 00:20:27,468 Well, who actually has the power in the world, and so who is correct 320 00:20:27,540 --> 00:20:29,201 in this kind of world view? 321 00:20:29,275 --> 00:20:31,607 I mean, I think the answer is easy. 322 00:20:31,677 --> 00:20:35,511 And if you look at the views held by myself, my organization, 323 00:20:35,581 --> 00:20:39,244 and many, many of the decision-makers in the world-- 324 00:20:39,318 --> 00:20:43,311 the powerful people--they happen to coincide with what I'm explaining. 325 00:20:43,389 --> 00:20:46,881 And I think this is enough in this sort of view. 326 00:20:46,959 --> 00:20:48,119 Briefly, Barry. 327 00:20:48,193 --> 00:20:49,990 So, I mean--what we have here 328 00:20:50,062 --> 00:20:53,657 is a picture of the rich and powerful people believe a certain philosophy 329 00:20:53,732 --> 00:20:57,065 which they then propound through the institutions 330 00:20:57,136 --> 00:20:58,728 in which they have a powerful voice. 331 00:20:58,804 --> 00:21:02,205 And I think this is exactly the model that is being questioned. 332 00:21:02,274 --> 00:21:07,211 And, increasingly, what there is is a very large body 333 00:21:07,279 --> 00:21:09,611 of people who are concerned about these rules. 334 00:21:09,682 --> 00:21:12,742 The people on the streets of Genoa and Seattle 335 00:21:12,818 --> 00:21:15,286 are not representative of the overall movement. 336 00:21:15,354 --> 00:21:16,946 They are the tip of the iceberg. 337 00:21:17,022 --> 00:21:20,856 We did a study last year that looked across developing countries 338 00:21:20,926 --> 00:21:24,020 and found that in the space of one year, in 50 protests, 339 00:21:24,096 --> 00:21:26,929 more than a million people from developing countries 340 00:21:26,999 --> 00:21:29,661 were out trying to change the rules 341 00:21:29,735 --> 00:21:32,465 that were being imposed on them by the World Bank and the IMF 342 00:21:32,538 --> 00:21:35,200 and locked down through the World Trade Organization. 343 00:21:35,274 --> 00:21:38,141 Thank you. We must finish. Barry Coates, thank you for joining us. 344 00:21:38,210 --> 00:21:42,044 And also Granwyth Hulatberi and Vernon Ellis on the line from New York. 345 00:22:08,807 --> 00:22:10,206 Section three? 346 00:22:13,412 --> 00:22:14,572 Well... 347 00:22:14,647 --> 00:22:17,980 It's not exactly a garment bag, but it's, uh... 348 00:22:19,018 --> 00:22:20,349 ...it'll work. 349 00:22:21,987 --> 00:22:25,150 Yeah? You think this is very business-like? 350 00:22:25,224 --> 00:22:26,885 It's like very official? 351 00:22:26,959 --> 00:22:29,018 Very...very big money. 352 00:22:29,094 --> 00:22:32,894 Okay, good. That's what I need. I need a big money watch. 353 00:22:34,033 --> 00:22:38,697 So are you as nervous as you were for Salzburg? 354 00:22:38,771 --> 00:22:41,171 The thing is, like, even with the Salzburg thing, 355 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,970 we went into it, like... 356 00:22:44,043 --> 00:22:47,843 sort of--we went there really nervous, but the whole time kind of-- 357 00:22:47,913 --> 00:22:50,575 it doesn't really sink in till you're actually there. 358 00:22:50,649 --> 00:22:51,775 Right. 359 00:22:51,850 --> 00:22:55,251 Well, I think it's good you guys, from what I've seen of the speech, 360 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,721 it kind of starts out the most normal that it is, 361 00:22:58,791 --> 00:23:01,282 so that he can get comfortable, and people-- 362 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:05,524 he can sort of slowly work his way up into it. 363 00:23:07,266 --> 00:23:09,257 Son of a fucking bitch. 364 00:23:11,170 --> 00:23:12,501 Shit. 365 00:23:13,505 --> 00:23:16,633 Yeah, do you have a rag? Fuck. 366 00:23:17,276 --> 00:23:21,474 Shit. I have one that has shoe polish on it, but that's not right, right? 367 00:23:24,383 --> 00:23:26,715 - The screen get a little paint on it? - Yeah. 368 00:23:34,660 --> 00:23:37,652 - It sounds like a lawn mower. - It's a little loud, yeah. 369 00:23:38,997 --> 00:23:40,328 - That's not good. - Forget it. 370 00:23:50,142 --> 00:23:53,305 Look, it made a new noise. Good. Good. Good. Great. 371 00:23:53,378 --> 00:23:54,970 - Is it great? - Try it. 372 00:23:55,047 --> 00:23:56,639 It doesn't work now. 373 00:23:56,715 --> 00:23:58,546 - Oh, listen! Yeah. - There it goes! 374 00:23:59,451 --> 00:24:00,782 Gotta hurry! 375 00:24:13,599 --> 00:24:15,863 Okay, ten minutes. They're both here. 376 00:24:18,337 --> 00:24:19,827 Hey, Sal. 377 00:24:21,073 --> 00:24:22,131 Thanks. 378 00:24:23,976 --> 00:24:25,136 Good luck. 379 00:24:26,478 --> 00:24:28,309 - We'll see how it goes. - Thanks for everything. 380 00:24:28,380 --> 00:24:30,974 Yeah, sleep good. Have a good time here. 381 00:24:31,950 --> 00:24:33,611 - Enjoy. - See you soon. 382 00:24:33,685 --> 00:24:36,210 Move into my room. Have enjoyment. 383 00:24:36,288 --> 00:24:37,448 Okay. 384 00:24:40,325 --> 00:24:43,158 Is this everything? Wow. Look how efficient. 385 00:24:43,228 --> 00:24:44,388 Okay. 386 00:24:45,831 --> 00:24:48,664 Efficient. A model of efficiency right here. 387 00:24:51,804 --> 00:24:55,240 You have some crap on your face right here. No, over here. 388 00:24:57,075 --> 00:24:58,133 Much better. 389 00:25:30,576 --> 00:25:32,407 We arrived last night. 390 00:25:32,477 --> 00:25:34,809 You had to take a nap. You had to get some sleep. 391 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,211 I just crashed, yeah. 392 00:25:36,281 --> 00:25:40,115 And I went and basically scoped out the lecture site. 393 00:25:40,185 --> 00:25:43,586 There was a sign on the door that said, "Textiles of the Future," 394 00:25:43,655 --> 00:25:47,591 Unruh Hank Hardy was the first speaker--Hank Hardy Unruh. 395 00:25:47,659 --> 00:25:50,059 And, you know, it all looked sort of official. 396 00:25:50,128 --> 00:25:52,790 The coffee cups were out for the morning. 397 00:25:52,865 --> 00:25:54,856 So I thought, "This is great. I'm all ready. 398 00:25:54,933 --> 00:25:57,094 I know exactly where it is. We can go there." 399 00:25:57,169 --> 00:25:59,569 I had a time-- I set up a little timetable, 400 00:25:59,638 --> 00:26:03,836 I got maps of the thing and all the updated conference information. 401 00:26:05,210 --> 00:26:07,940 Came back here. Then we went to sleep early. 402 00:26:08,013 --> 00:26:13,007 Hank was snoring immediately, but I wasn't able to sleep at all, really. 403 00:26:13,085 --> 00:26:14,780 I just stayed there awake in bed 404 00:26:14,853 --> 00:26:18,516 and occasionally I'd go in the bathroom and turn on the light and read brochures 405 00:26:18,590 --> 00:26:21,491 because I was, like, just unable to sleep. 406 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,893 And eventually I think I fell asleep just before waking up. 407 00:26:28,734 --> 00:26:29,894 Great. 408 00:26:32,671 --> 00:26:35,401 So I'm leaving my wallet here. 409 00:26:38,744 --> 00:26:40,234 Okay, let's go. 410 00:26:43,849 --> 00:26:45,510 - Wait. - It's 8:00. 411 00:26:45,584 --> 00:26:47,575 I think I really will leave it here. 412 00:26:53,525 --> 00:26:54,924 Are you coming? 413 00:26:59,431 --> 00:27:01,922 Hank, this is a little early to get up. 414 00:27:02,768 --> 00:27:06,499 - It's all right. - I mean, I thought this was a vacation. 415 00:27:06,571 --> 00:27:08,232 - Like what? - A vacation. 416 00:27:08,307 --> 00:27:09,706 I know. 417 00:27:09,775 --> 00:27:12,437 - I wanna go on a vacation. - They take me to Finland... 418 00:27:17,349 --> 00:27:20,682 Let me take care of this egg for you. I'll just peel it. 419 00:27:20,752 --> 00:27:22,413 That'll be nice. Thank you. 420 00:27:27,292 --> 00:27:29,783 - But we're behind schedule. - Are we? 421 00:27:29,861 --> 00:27:35,026 A little bit. It's after 8:00, and I really wanted to be at the venue at 8:00. 422 00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:36,761 - Okay. - But we're doing fine. 423 00:27:36,835 --> 00:27:38,996 - Is it after 8:00? - It is after 8:00. 424 00:27:39,071 --> 00:27:40,231 Yeah. 425 00:27:42,808 --> 00:27:44,969 You know, pretend like... 426 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,383 Great. We're early. 427 00:27:56,455 --> 00:27:57,615 Oh, good. 428 00:28:00,192 --> 00:28:03,025 Hello, I'm Hank Hardy Unruh. I'm from the-- 429 00:28:03,095 --> 00:28:05,495 - Oh, right. Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 430 00:28:05,564 --> 00:28:07,725 - We were expecting you. - Oh, good. 431 00:28:08,834 --> 00:28:11,428 It's not 9:30--no. It's 8:30, right? 432 00:28:12,237 --> 00:28:16,071 - But you will have a... - It's 8:30 now...is it? 433 00:28:16,141 --> 00:28:20,475 lt...is...it's 9:30, yes. 434 00:28:20,545 --> 00:28:21,876 - Now? - Yes. 435 00:28:21,947 --> 00:28:24,108 - Yeah. - The time is 9:30? 436 00:28:24,182 --> 00:28:25,581 - Yes. - Yeah. Almost. 437 00:28:25,650 --> 00:28:28,380 - I'm on at... - It's 27 past 9:00 at the moment. 438 00:28:28,453 --> 00:28:30,944 Oh, my God. We're an hour off. 439 00:28:31,023 --> 00:28:33,014 - Oh, my God. Thank you. - You're welcome. 440 00:28:33,091 --> 00:28:36,458 - Well, we have to--we start in three-- - Anyhow, it was nice to see you. 441 00:28:36,528 --> 00:28:38,462 Do they know that he's going on now? 442 00:28:38,530 --> 00:28:41,124 Yeah--well, ...was expecting you. 443 00:28:41,199 --> 00:28:43,258 - Oh, jeez. Okay. - Okay, we... 444 00:28:45,504 --> 00:28:48,667 Are you coming, too? Have you registered? 445 00:28:49,674 --> 00:28:53,166 I'm his assistant. We're both working with him. 446 00:28:53,245 --> 00:28:55,736 We have to go take care of a few things now. 447 00:28:55,814 --> 00:28:57,543 - Here it is. - Okay. 448 00:28:57,616 --> 00:29:00,608 - Would you like to join the dinner? - Yes, please. 449 00:29:00,685 --> 00:29:03,279 - Is there a fee, or... - No, it's included. 450 00:29:03,355 --> 00:29:06,620 Okay. Yes, we'll-- we'll join the dinner. That's great. 451 00:29:07,526 --> 00:29:09,357 - Wow. - We must hurry, I guess. 452 00:29:09,428 --> 00:29:12,022 - Yes. I will accompany you. - Please. Yes. 453 00:29:13,865 --> 00:29:15,696 Actually, no, you can't go in now 454 00:29:15,767 --> 00:29:18,099 'cause you first have to take care of that business. 455 00:29:18,170 --> 00:29:21,662 We're an hour--we're... we had an hour off. 456 00:29:21,740 --> 00:29:24,402 - I have to do something. - Yes. 457 00:29:24,476 --> 00:29:26,808 He has to make a very important phone call right now. 458 00:29:26,878 --> 00:29:28,709 - It'll take me five minutes. - Right now? 459 00:29:28,780 --> 00:29:29,838 I'm sorry. 460 00:29:29,915 --> 00:29:32,748 But you will have your presentation starting after two minutes. 461 00:29:32,818 --> 00:29:35,309 Please tell them that I'll be three minutes late. 462 00:29:41,093 --> 00:29:43,288 Well, there's a detail. 463 00:29:43,361 --> 00:29:46,524 Jesus. Fuck. How come we didn't know that? 464 00:29:46,598 --> 00:29:48,759 I don't know. That's really incredible. 465 00:29:49,801 --> 00:29:52,292 - Come on. - Okay. Pick up. 466 00:29:53,605 --> 00:29:55,766 Jeez, this is terrible. 467 00:29:55,841 --> 00:29:58,105 It's the stupidest-- I can't... 468 00:29:59,211 --> 00:30:02,044 There's--it's an hour's difference. The time zone is different here. 469 00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:08,147 It's unbelievable. How the fuck can that happen? 470 00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:12,054 - Okay, there. That's done now. - Ladies and gentlemen... 471 00:30:12,124 --> 00:30:14,524 Okay, quick, that shirt--the underwear. 472 00:30:15,994 --> 00:30:17,256 The gold underwear. 473 00:30:17,329 --> 00:30:18,591 Okay... 474 00:30:19,998 --> 00:30:21,989 Do I have to put something through here? 475 00:30:22,067 --> 00:30:23,728 - No. - Okay. 476 00:30:23,802 --> 00:30:24,962 Need help? 477 00:30:26,838 --> 00:30:29,238 - Your testicles hanging out? - Uh, yeah. 478 00:30:31,209 --> 00:30:32,267 Okay. 479 00:30:32,344 --> 00:30:33,504 Here you go. 480 00:30:34,779 --> 00:30:35,939 Okay. Great. 481 00:30:37,916 --> 00:30:41,647 Oh, God. Okay...great. 482 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,188 - It's got a little air in it. - Okay, now the pants. 483 00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:45,847 Hurry. 484 00:30:49,761 --> 00:30:53,094 Oh, hi. Nice to meet you. I'm so sorry. 485 00:31:10,515 --> 00:31:13,348 Thank you. I'm terribly sorry-- 486 00:31:15,787 --> 00:31:17,618 Yes, I have my presentation. 487 00:31:19,457 --> 00:31:20,788 Terribly sorry. 488 00:31:20,859 --> 00:31:24,727 I think the World Trade Organization is supposed to know about time zones, but... 489 00:31:26,431 --> 00:31:28,922 Somebody said, "Isn't there a time difference?" 490 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,096 And I said, "Nope. All of Europe, same time zone." 491 00:31:33,171 --> 00:31:36,004 - So that convinced us all. - Me too. 492 00:31:36,074 --> 00:31:40,238 We were convinced that it was the right time, and we woke up this morning... 493 00:31:40,312 --> 00:31:43,440 And we were running five or ten minutes late, 494 00:31:43,515 --> 00:31:47,474 and then figured out that the laptop wasn't working. 495 00:31:47,552 --> 00:31:49,952 No, maybe we could switch the order. 496 00:31:50,021 --> 00:31:52,353 Could we have somebody else go, and then I go later? 497 00:31:52,424 --> 00:31:54,153 They said, "I think we can do that." 498 00:31:54,226 --> 00:31:57,320 Then they called the coffee people and talked to the coffee people 499 00:31:57,395 --> 00:31:58,953 to see if the coffee was possible. 500 00:31:59,030 --> 00:32:00,019 That was it. 501 00:33:13,071 --> 00:33:14,538 Thank you very much. 502 00:33:15,106 --> 00:33:16,368 This one... 503 00:33:17,642 --> 00:33:21,373 It's quite an honor to be here in Tampere addressing this audience 504 00:33:21,446 --> 00:33:25,177 of the most outstanding textile workers in the world today. 505 00:33:26,117 --> 00:33:30,451 I see on all the faces here today a touching childlike eagerness 506 00:33:30,522 --> 00:33:34,390 to tackle the biggest textiles questions in the world. 507 00:33:34,459 --> 00:33:36,791 How do we at the WTO fit in? 508 00:33:36,861 --> 00:33:41,355 What we want to do at the WTO is help you achieve your dollar results. 509 00:33:41,433 --> 00:33:43,697 And in just 20 minutes from now, 510 00:33:43,768 --> 00:33:48,000 I'm going to show you the WTO's very own solution 511 00:33:48,073 --> 00:33:51,804 to two of the very biggest problems in management. 512 00:33:51,876 --> 00:33:55,107 One--maintaining rapport with distant workforce, 513 00:33:55,180 --> 00:33:59,014 and two--maintaining healthful amounts of leisure. 514 00:33:59,084 --> 00:34:03,282 This solution, appropriately enough, is based in textiles. 515 00:34:05,824 --> 00:34:09,191 But how did workers ever get to be a problem? 516 00:34:10,362 --> 00:34:12,227 Before unveiling our solution, 517 00:34:12,297 --> 00:34:17,291 I'd like to talk a bit about the history of the worker management problem. 518 00:34:17,369 --> 00:34:21,032 We all know about the American Civil War--at least in the U.S. 519 00:34:21,106 --> 00:34:25,270 It was the bloodiest, least-profitable war in the history of our country. 520 00:34:25,343 --> 00:34:27,709 A war in which unbelievably huge amounts of money 521 00:34:27,779 --> 00:34:30,942 went right down the drain-- and all for textiles. 522 00:34:31,015 --> 00:34:35,952 By the 1860s, the South was utterly flush with cash. 523 00:34:36,020 --> 00:34:38,511 It had recently benefited from the cotton gin-- 524 00:34:38,590 --> 00:34:41,058 an invention that took the seeds out of cotton 525 00:34:41,126 --> 00:34:44,095 and the South out of its pre-industrial past. 526 00:34:44,162 --> 00:34:45,823 Hundreds of thousands of workers 527 00:34:45,897 --> 00:34:48,331 previously unemployed in their countries of origin 528 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,391 were given useful jobs in textiles. 529 00:34:51,169 --> 00:34:55,162 Into this rosy picture of freedom and boom stepped--you guessed it-- 530 00:34:55,240 --> 00:34:57,231 the North. 531 00:34:57,308 --> 00:35:01,301 Now, some Civil War apologists have said that the Civil War, for all its faults, 532 00:35:01,379 --> 00:35:03,609 at least had the effect of outlawing 533 00:35:03,681 --> 00:35:06,616 an involuntarily imported workforce model of work. 534 00:35:06,684 --> 00:35:09,278 Now, this model is, of course, a terrible thing. 535 00:35:09,354 --> 00:35:11,345 I myself am an abolitionist. 536 00:35:11,423 --> 00:35:15,757 But, in fact, there is no doubt that, left to their own devices, 537 00:35:15,827 --> 00:35:20,423 markets would've eventually replaced slavery with cleaner sources of labor. 538 00:35:21,065 --> 00:35:23,363 To prove my point, please join me 539 00:35:23,435 --> 00:35:26,768 on what Albert Einstein used to call a thought experiment. 540 00:35:27,672 --> 00:35:32,006 Suppose involuntarily imported labor had never been outlawed. 541 00:35:32,076 --> 00:35:35,671 That slaves still existed, and that it were easy to own one. 542 00:35:35,747 --> 00:35:39,581 What do you think it would cost today to profitably maintain a slave, 543 00:35:39,651 --> 00:35:41,642 say, here in Tampere? 544 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:47,123 Let's see...a finished clothing set costs $50 at the very least. 545 00:35:47,192 --> 00:35:50,923 Two meals from McDonald's cost about $10.00. 546 00:35:50,995 --> 00:35:54,988 The cheapest small room probably runs for about $250 a month. 547 00:35:55,066 --> 00:35:58,001 To function well, you have to pay for your slave's health care. 548 00:35:58,069 --> 00:36:02,130 If its country of origin was polluted, for example, that might run expensively. 549 00:36:02,207 --> 00:36:05,199 And, of course, what with child labor laws here in Finland, 550 00:36:05,276 --> 00:36:08,109 much of the youth market is simply not available. 551 00:36:09,214 --> 00:36:13,150 Now leave the same slave back at home. Let's say Gabon. 552 00:36:13,218 --> 00:36:17,086 In Gabon, $10 pays for two weeks of food. 553 00:36:17,155 --> 00:36:22,218 $250 pays for two years of housing, not a month, at best. 554 00:36:22,293 --> 00:36:25,956 $50 pays for a lifetime of budget clothing. 555 00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:27,964 And health care is, of course, cheaper. 556 00:36:28,032 --> 00:36:32,867 On top of it all...youth can be gainfully employed without restriction. 557 00:36:32,937 --> 00:36:35,428 The biggest benefit of the remote labor system, though, 558 00:36:35,507 --> 00:36:37,668 is to the slave him or herself, 559 00:36:37,742 --> 00:36:42,008 because in Gabon there is no need for the slave not to be free. 560 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,479 This is primarily because 561 00:36:43,548 --> 00:36:46,483 there are no one-time slave transport costs to recoup 562 00:36:46,551 --> 00:36:48,542 and so the potential losses from fleeing 563 00:36:48,620 --> 00:36:51,919 are limited to the slave's rudimentary training. 564 00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:54,049 Since the slave can be free, 565 00:36:54,125 --> 00:36:57,617 he or she suddenly becomes a worker rather than a slave. 566 00:36:57,695 --> 00:37:01,290 Also terrific for morale is that slaves--workers-- 567 00:37:01,366 --> 00:37:03,766 have the luxury of remaining in their native habitat 568 00:37:03,835 --> 00:37:06,702 and don't have to relocate to places where they would be subject 569 00:37:06,771 --> 00:37:10,263 to such unpleasantries as homesickness and racism. 570 00:37:11,009 --> 00:37:14,172 I think it's clear from our little thought experiment 571 00:37:14,245 --> 00:37:17,737 that if the North and South had simply let the market sort it out 572 00:37:17,815 --> 00:37:19,612 without protectionist tariffs, 573 00:37:19,684 --> 00:37:23,745 they would've quickly given up slavery for something more efficient anyhow. 574 00:37:23,821 --> 00:37:25,152 By forcing the issue, 575 00:37:25,223 --> 00:37:29,159 the North not only committed a terrible injustice against the freedom of the South, 576 00:37:29,227 --> 00:37:31,161 but also deprived slavery 577 00:37:31,229 --> 00:37:34,426 of its natural development into remote labor. 578 00:37:35,833 --> 00:37:38,324 Had the leaders of the 1860s United States 579 00:37:38,403 --> 00:37:40,963 understood what our leaders understand today, 580 00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:43,303 the Civil War would never have happened. 581 00:37:44,142 --> 00:37:47,009 In a world where the headquarters of a company might be in New York, 582 00:37:47,078 --> 00:37:49,342 Hong Kong, or Espoo, Finland, 583 00:37:49,414 --> 00:37:53,578 and the workers are in Gabon, Rangoon, or Estonia, 584 00:37:53,651 --> 00:37:56,984 how does a manager maintain proper rapport with the workers, 585 00:37:57,055 --> 00:37:59,216 and how does he or she ensure from a distance 586 00:37:59,290 --> 00:38:02,350 that workers perform their work in an ethical fashion? 587 00:38:03,094 --> 00:38:05,790 I'm about to show you an actual prototype 588 00:38:05,863 --> 00:38:10,323 of the WTO's solution to two major management problems of today. 589 00:38:10,401 --> 00:38:13,234 Now, we all know that not even the best workplace design 590 00:38:13,304 --> 00:38:16,967 can help even the most astute manager keep track of workers. 591 00:38:17,041 --> 00:38:22,308 What you need is a solution that enables complete rapport with workers-- 592 00:38:22,380 --> 00:38:24,871 especially when they're located far away. 593 00:38:26,084 --> 00:38:28,245 Mike, would you help me a moment? 594 00:38:50,775 --> 00:38:52,106 Thank you. 595 00:38:52,176 --> 00:38:54,906 This is much better. Much more comfortable. 596 00:38:56,414 --> 00:39:00,578 This is the WTO's answer to two of the major management problems, 597 00:39:00,652 --> 00:39:03,712 and we're calling it the Management Leisure Suit. 598 00:39:03,788 --> 00:39:06,120 It's--the two problems again-- 599 00:39:06,190 --> 00:39:09,023 how to maintain close rapport with distant workers 600 00:39:09,093 --> 00:39:13,928 and how to remain comfortable and increase leisure activities. 601 00:39:13,998 --> 00:39:16,831 How does the Management Leisure Suit work? 602 00:39:16,901 --> 00:39:20,064 Besides being extremely comfortable, as I can guarantee you. 603 00:39:20,138 --> 00:39:23,904 Well, allow me to describe the suit's core features. 604 00:39:49,033 --> 00:39:50,625 This... 605 00:39:50,702 --> 00:39:54,103 This is the E.V.A.-- 606 00:39:54,172 --> 00:39:58,040 the Employee Visualization Appendage. 607 00:39:58,109 --> 00:40:01,476 It's an instantly deployable, hip-mounted device 608 00:40:01,546 --> 00:40:04,606 with totally hands-free operation... 609 00:40:04,682 --> 00:40:09,016 that allows the manager to see his employees directly right here. 610 00:40:09,087 --> 00:40:13,490 Signals communicating the exact amounts and quality of physical work 611 00:40:13,558 --> 00:40:15,651 are transmitted not only visually right here, 612 00:40:15,727 --> 00:40:21,359 but directly through electric channels implanted directly into the manager. 613 00:40:21,432 --> 00:40:25,766 The workers, for their part, are fitted with corresponding transmitting chips 614 00:40:25,837 --> 00:40:29,637 that are implanted humanely directly into the shoulder. 615 00:40:29,707 --> 00:40:32,699 But the other equally important achievement of the MLS 616 00:40:32,777 --> 00:40:34,438 has to do with leisure. 617 00:40:34,512 --> 00:40:38,312 In the United States, leisure-- another word for freedom, really-- 618 00:40:38,382 --> 00:40:42,284 has been decreasing steadily since the 1970s. 619 00:40:42,353 --> 00:40:45,948 The Management Leisure Suit permits the manager to reverse this trend 620 00:40:46,023 --> 00:40:48,321 by letting him do his work anywhere 621 00:40:48,392 --> 00:40:51,486 while remaining in complete touch with the workers, 622 00:40:51,562 --> 00:40:55,225 physically sensing what's going on in the workforce, on the floor, 623 00:40:55,299 --> 00:40:58,234 through channels implanted directly into the manager. 624 00:40:58,302 --> 00:41:01,135 Again, the manager sees the employees, 625 00:41:01,205 --> 00:41:03,366 but also feels what they're feeling 626 00:41:03,441 --> 00:41:07,775 and can select where to focus in the workplace environment. 627 00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:11,011 So, in conclusion, 628 00:41:11,082 --> 00:41:14,745 I'd like to ask, is this a science-fiction scenario? 629 00:41:20,424 --> 00:41:21,914 The answer is no. 630 00:41:22,927 --> 00:41:25,452 Everything we've seen here, everything we've been talking about 631 00:41:25,530 --> 00:41:27,020 is entirely possible today. 632 00:41:27,832 --> 00:41:31,233 We can always look forward on the highways of progress 633 00:41:31,302 --> 00:41:33,361 towards ever-new horizons 634 00:41:33,437 --> 00:41:37,703 with cooperation and mutual delight in the fruits of prosperity. 635 00:41:37,775 --> 00:41:40,835 I'm very excited to be here. Thank you very much. 636 00:42:07,004 --> 00:42:10,098 Something we're trying to do more and more as... 637 00:42:30,561 --> 00:42:32,620 I wasn't depressed by people not reacting, 638 00:42:32,697 --> 00:42:36,098 I wasn't depressed by people just swallowing it and not asking questions 639 00:42:36,167 --> 00:42:40,661 because I thought, "Well, that shows that you need some sort of control," 640 00:42:40,738 --> 00:42:44,071 because the WTO--me-- can come in 641 00:42:44,141 --> 00:42:48,407 and say these amazingly hideous things to this group of the most educated people, 642 00:42:48,479 --> 00:42:52,210 like the top .1% education-wise people in the entire world 643 00:42:52,283 --> 00:42:54,148 in a developed country like Finland-- 644 00:42:54,218 --> 00:42:56,686 these people all have PhDs or advanced degrees-- 645 00:42:56,754 --> 00:42:58,745 and you can say the most atrocious things 646 00:42:58,823 --> 00:43:02,315 and nobody will really react and nobody will really care. 647 00:43:02,393 --> 00:43:06,921 It's like, you know, what can't corporations get away with? 648 00:43:19,310 --> 00:43:20,641 So, where are we? 649 00:43:20,711 --> 00:43:23,305 Well, we're arriving in Helsinki right now. 650 00:43:24,482 --> 00:43:26,416 We left the conference this morning. 651 00:43:26,484 --> 00:43:31,478 It was just--it had driven us completely mad after dinner last night. 652 00:43:31,555 --> 00:43:33,955 I think we had our fill with dinner. 653 00:43:34,025 --> 00:43:36,084 I had to actually leave a little bit early. 654 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,494 I went over to the table where Unruh-- 655 00:43:40,564 --> 00:43:44,694 Hank Hardy had to sit with the big men and eat, 656 00:43:44,769 --> 00:43:47,101 and I told him that we needed to leave 657 00:43:47,171 --> 00:43:51,835 because we had a telephone meeting with Mobutu Oblongatu immediately. 658 00:43:53,878 --> 00:43:55,209 - Great. - Hi. 659 00:43:55,279 --> 00:43:56,610 Sorry to butt in a minute, 660 00:43:56,681 --> 00:43:59,013 but we're supposed to meet Manduka Djubango... 661 00:43:59,083 --> 00:44:00,812 - Oh, God. - ...at 10:00. 662 00:44:00,885 --> 00:44:02,716 And then we both started laughing, 663 00:44:02,787 --> 00:44:05,984 which was really not convenient for the context. 664 00:44:06,057 --> 00:44:10,016 So we left, and we just decided that, basically, 665 00:44:10,094 --> 00:44:14,497 we couldn't figure out what else we could possibly do at this conference, 666 00:44:14,565 --> 00:44:18,228 so we just thought, "Well, let's go to Helsinki instead." 667 00:44:19,403 --> 00:44:20,665 So, this is the paper. 668 00:44:20,738 --> 00:44:23,070 On the front page-- I just discovered it-- 669 00:44:23,140 --> 00:44:26,473 it says there's a seminar at the university 670 00:44:26,544 --> 00:44:30,878 and that somebody talked about controlling remote workers 671 00:44:30,948 --> 00:44:34,111 with electrical impulsions. 672 00:44:34,185 --> 00:44:37,018 And then you turn to the page, and... 673 00:44:38,356 --> 00:44:39,846 ...and that's what you get. 674 00:44:39,924 --> 00:44:45,794 And this right here represents the World Trade Organization. 675 00:44:45,863 --> 00:44:50,891 This... <i>is</i> the World Trade Organization. 676 00:44:55,106 --> 00:44:59,600 I went down to these Mexican border towns in the mid '80s. 677 00:44:59,677 --> 00:45:01,508 They were called "Maquilladoras" 678 00:45:01,579 --> 00:45:04,173 when they had the first trade agreements 679 00:45:04,248 --> 00:45:06,944 between Mexico and the United States. 680 00:45:07,018 --> 00:45:10,283 And everyone was saying, "This is gonna raise Mexico out of poverty," 681 00:45:10,354 --> 00:45:12,845 and things were gonna be so great, and within ten years, 682 00:45:12,923 --> 00:45:15,517 they'd all be driving shiny new cars in Mexico. 683 00:45:15,593 --> 00:45:18,528 And I went down there and saw this-- 684 00:45:18,596 --> 00:45:22,430 the incredible poverty in these Mexican border towns. 685 00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:26,402 Fifteen years later, I went back. Not a damn thing had changed. 686 00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:29,928 Here's all these workers working for all these American corporations, 687 00:45:30,007 --> 00:45:32,532 and you just go across the street 688 00:45:32,610 --> 00:45:35,704 and you found people living in the same horrid conditions, 689 00:45:35,780 --> 00:45:37,771 the same poverty existing. 690 00:45:37,848 --> 00:45:41,579 And you had to ask, "Well, who's benefiting from this?" 691 00:45:41,652 --> 00:45:44,143 Who benefited were these American corporations. 692 00:45:44,221 --> 00:45:46,712 During the 1990s, they became even more wealthy, 693 00:45:46,791 --> 00:45:49,954 they posted record profits-- larger record profits, 694 00:45:50,027 --> 00:45:52,757 and the people in Mexico just continued to suffer. 695 00:45:52,830 --> 00:45:55,390 It was all a big scam. 696 00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:13,949 Is this the one? 697 00:46:14,018 --> 00:46:17,419 No. You got the wrong one. 698 00:46:17,488 --> 00:46:18,648 Shit. 699 00:46:19,690 --> 00:46:21,681 "Will WTO stand up?" 700 00:46:21,759 --> 00:46:24,751 Oh, my God. It's got pictures. They're nice, too. 701 00:46:24,829 --> 00:46:26,820 Yeah, they actually look okay at that size. 702 00:46:26,897 --> 00:46:30,560 "Bichlbaum isn't... but he plays one on TV." 703 00:46:30,634 --> 00:46:33,034 This is basically the core of what we do. 704 00:46:33,104 --> 00:46:36,801 All of these newspapers and magazines have articles 705 00:46:36,874 --> 00:46:38,603 on the Yes Men, 706 00:46:38,676 --> 00:46:42,168 and this is why we are doing these things. 707 00:46:42,246 --> 00:46:44,237 This is why we go and do these conferences. 708 00:46:44,315 --> 00:46:46,647 It's not for the 200 people or the hundred people 709 00:46:46,717 --> 00:46:48,878 that might see us give the lecture. 710 00:46:48,953 --> 00:46:50,784 Although we'd like them to come away 711 00:46:50,855 --> 00:46:53,517 with an interesting experience from the lecture, 712 00:46:53,591 --> 00:46:57,994 the reason we do it is so that people who read <i>Bizarre</i> magazine 713 00:46:58,062 --> 00:47:00,860 or the <i>New York Times</i> or <i>Fortune</i> or <i>Harper's</i> 714 00:47:00,931 --> 00:47:03,593 can read about it in the mainstream press. 715 00:47:03,667 --> 00:47:06,192 This is how millions of people could read about it 716 00:47:06,270 --> 00:47:11,572 and potentially get turned on to some of the ideas of anti-globalization. 717 00:47:11,642 --> 00:47:14,805 One of the problems with the <i>Fortune</i> thing 718 00:47:14,879 --> 00:47:18,610 is that it's in this-- well, <i>Fortune--</i> 719 00:47:18,682 --> 00:47:22,846 it's read by business people and accountants and that kind of thing. 720 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:29,758 And that's exactly who we're supposed to be talking to in Australia in May. 721 00:47:29,827 --> 00:47:31,658 It's an accounting conference. 722 00:47:31,729 --> 00:47:34,721 It's a little... a little worrisome. 723 00:47:45,809 --> 00:47:47,743 You need a new shirt? One that's not wrinkled? 724 00:47:47,811 --> 00:47:48,800 Yeah. 725 00:47:48,879 --> 00:47:50,710 Will that be good with your thing? 726 00:47:51,382 --> 00:47:53,213 Do you think it'll work with your suit? 727 00:47:53,284 --> 00:47:56,776 This one's extra large. Yeah, they'll all work with my suit. It's terrible. 728 00:47:56,854 --> 00:47:59,186 - It's striped, though. Is that okay? - Yeah. 729 00:48:00,157 --> 00:48:02,489 - Sure it's okay. - Why don't you go get a shirt, then? 730 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,893 I'll just get this. Wait. Oh, it's not very much cotton. 731 00:48:05,963 --> 00:48:07,624 - How much is it? - I hate that. 732 00:48:07,698 --> 00:48:10,360 - 35%? - It's 35%. It's like... 733 00:48:10,434 --> 00:48:11,526 No, it's fine for-- 734 00:48:11,602 --> 00:48:13,536 It doesn't wrinkle much-- that's nice about that. 735 00:48:13,604 --> 00:48:16,164 I'll just wear it. All right. 736 00:48:22,846 --> 00:48:25,508 The thing is, there's a question of whether he's-- 737 00:48:25,583 --> 00:48:28,313 at what point he recognizes you doesn't really matter. 738 00:48:28,385 --> 00:48:31,877 What we want is that moment when he does recognize you. 739 00:48:31,956 --> 00:48:34,948 So if he recognizes you here and sees that you're in the room, 740 00:48:35,025 --> 00:48:38,290 then he'll be looking back and forth at you, at the screen. 741 00:48:38,362 --> 00:48:41,695 At that point, if he recognizes you, we better say something. 742 00:48:45,536 --> 00:48:47,868 No, I think it's down here, but I don't know. 743 00:48:50,140 --> 00:48:51,801 It must be right down Morris. 744 00:48:51,875 --> 00:48:53,035 Remember we walked... 745 00:48:53,110 --> 00:48:55,442 It's on the end of this line here. 746 00:49:11,228 --> 00:49:12,286 Thanks. 747 00:49:15,666 --> 00:49:18,260 - Andy, hi. How're you doing? - Barry. Nice to meet you. 748 00:49:18,335 --> 00:49:20,963 - Good to meet you. - Good. Great. 749 00:49:21,038 --> 00:49:22,198 We're in London, 750 00:49:22,273 --> 00:49:26,266 and we were just at the offices of the World Development Movement 751 00:49:26,343 --> 00:49:27,833 where we talked to Barry Coates, 752 00:49:27,911 --> 00:49:30,072 who's the director of the World Development Movement 753 00:49:30,147 --> 00:49:34,140 and who showed up on CNBC MarketWrap Europe 754 00:49:34,218 --> 00:49:37,881 debating our friend here-- Granwyth Hulatberi-- 755 00:49:37,955 --> 00:49:42,289 about the prospects of WTO and globalization. 756 00:49:42,359 --> 00:49:46,022 We kind of expected him maybe to have a glimmer of recognition immediately, 757 00:49:46,096 --> 00:49:47,358 and he didn't--okay. 758 00:49:47,431 --> 00:49:50,025 Then we put on the tape and... 759 00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:54,264 he laughed at how horribly stupid it was, 760 00:49:54,338 --> 00:49:55,999 but he never realized 761 00:49:56,073 --> 00:49:59,406 that this wasn't really a representative of the WTO. 762 00:49:59,476 --> 00:50:02,070 Even when he saw me like this right next to him, 763 00:50:02,146 --> 00:50:05,172 and then we switched seats and he still didn't notice. 764 00:50:05,249 --> 00:50:08,707 Then I had to put my face next to the thing and go... 765 00:50:08,786 --> 00:50:10,913 Yeah, let's just pause it here. 766 00:50:10,988 --> 00:50:13,149 - Okay. Hit stop. - Is there a pause? 767 00:50:13,223 --> 00:50:15,054 - Stop button. - There's no pause. 768 00:50:15,125 --> 00:50:18,754 I don't know what I could've said after that clip. 769 00:50:18,829 --> 00:50:20,558 I mean...really... 770 00:50:21,965 --> 00:50:26,129 "Where did they get this guy from?" might've been my first comment. 771 00:50:26,203 --> 00:50:28,865 So did you ever figure out where they got the guy from? 772 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:36,136 I understood that he was in the External Relations Department for the WTO. 773 00:50:36,213 --> 00:50:39,080 - That's what they thought, too. - That's what they thought, as well. 774 00:50:39,783 --> 00:50:40,943 - But... - But... 775 00:50:41,018 --> 00:50:44,010 - ...as it happens, he wasn't. - Yeah. 776 00:50:44,088 --> 00:50:47,057 - In fact-- - Just take one more close look. 777 00:50:48,659 --> 00:50:50,854 Wait, can we--is this reverse? 778 00:50:54,398 --> 00:50:55,888 No! 779 00:50:59,269 --> 00:51:01,533 I wasn't gonna mention the likeness. 780 00:51:02,573 --> 00:51:05,565 You were being very polite, weren't you? Yeah. 781 00:51:06,577 --> 00:51:08,238 - Yeah. - You did it as a spoof? 782 00:51:08,379 --> 00:51:10,108 - Yeah. - Yeah. Basically... 783 00:51:12,483 --> 00:51:14,644 That's good. We weren't sure how you would react. 784 00:51:14,718 --> 00:51:18,313 We were really hoping you wouldn't be too offended. We were like, "Oh, no!" 785 00:51:18,389 --> 00:51:20,721 Hell, no. That's great. That's really-- 786 00:51:20,791 --> 00:51:23,624 I was wondering, 'cause I hadn't seen that guy before, 787 00:51:23,694 --> 00:51:27,095 and I did know some of the WTO External Relations people, 788 00:51:27,164 --> 00:51:31,260 and I was thinking, "My God, they really put up a right one this time." 789 00:51:31,335 --> 00:51:33,997 We wanted to talk to Barry Coates as well 790 00:51:34,071 --> 00:51:39,008 because he has a lot of statistics and information about globalization 791 00:51:39,076 --> 00:51:42,443 that we thought would be useful for the lecture in Australia. 792 00:51:42,513 --> 00:51:45,004 All of the WTO agreements bar one 793 00:51:45,082 --> 00:51:48,347 are all about restricting what governments can do. 794 00:51:48,419 --> 00:51:53,015 And so, essentially, the whole trading system is built on the premise 795 00:51:53,090 --> 00:51:58,255 that the companies trading internationally, investing internationally, 796 00:51:58,328 --> 00:52:03,322 are going to be preyed upon by nasty governments. 797 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,732 And, really, what we have 798 00:52:05,803 --> 00:52:08,738 is an international system that is entirely the reverse. 799 00:52:08,806 --> 00:52:11,001 What's got squeezed out of the system 800 00:52:11,074 --> 00:52:14,066 is democracy, is development, is environment, 801 00:52:14,144 --> 00:52:17,136 is the kind of human values 802 00:52:17,214 --> 00:52:20,650 which really ought to be the center of what we're trying to do. 803 00:52:20,717 --> 00:52:24,209 We don't live to trade, you know. 804 00:52:24,288 --> 00:52:27,121 We live to have decent lives. 805 00:52:27,191 --> 00:52:29,682 And that ought to be the goal of our trade policy, 806 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,788 not maximizing trade or getting rid of any impediments to it. 807 00:53:00,224 --> 00:53:02,351 Looks good. I've got that. 808 00:53:03,060 --> 00:53:04,721 Need to get the video... 809 00:53:05,596 --> 00:53:08,929 ...and we'll be off. 810 00:53:08,999 --> 00:53:10,432 Let's see... 811 00:53:13,237 --> 00:53:16,070 One of the big reasons why I'm up here 812 00:53:16,139 --> 00:53:20,098 is that we have the Australia gig for the Yes Men. 813 00:53:20,177 --> 00:53:24,170 I did an animation about the recycling of post-consumer waste 814 00:53:24,248 --> 00:53:27,979 into hamburgers and fast food. 815 00:53:28,051 --> 00:53:30,281 So...here we go. 816 00:53:30,921 --> 00:53:34,516 The answer to the world's sustainable food future is in recycling. 817 00:53:35,826 --> 00:53:38,420 Since over half our nutrients taken in are eliminated, 818 00:53:38,495 --> 00:53:39,894 valuable resources are at risk. 819 00:53:39,963 --> 00:53:43,364 By using post-consumer waste, reBurger allows essential nutrients 820 00:53:43,433 --> 00:53:46,732 to be offered to developing countries for greatly reduced cost. 821 00:53:48,038 --> 00:53:49,699 Okay... 822 00:53:54,411 --> 00:53:56,072 It gets better. 823 00:53:57,314 --> 00:53:58,576 - Wait. - What was that? 824 00:53:58,649 --> 00:54:01,140 - Was that in outer space? - What the hell was that? 825 00:54:01,785 --> 00:54:04,720 I think it does the job. I think it does the job. 826 00:54:07,624 --> 00:54:11,617 We're here in New York because Herb Alpert, 827 00:54:11,695 --> 00:54:14,687 of Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass, 828 00:54:14,765 --> 00:54:16,926 gave us this award. 829 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,664 A bunch of money to do the kind of stuff that we do. 830 00:54:21,738 --> 00:54:24,229 So we had to come here and have dinner with him 831 00:54:24,308 --> 00:54:26,970 and get the money and thank everybody. 832 00:54:27,044 --> 00:54:29,877 It was very nice and very surprising. 833 00:54:29,947 --> 00:54:33,280 But we're very pleased. I think we can say we're very pleased. 834 00:54:34,184 --> 00:54:35,845 Yeah, it was a big chunk of money. 835 00:54:35,919 --> 00:54:39,753 It's gonna bankroll a lot of future activities like going to Australia. 836 00:54:40,958 --> 00:54:42,949 Yeah, so we got this chunk of money but, 837 00:54:43,026 --> 00:54:45,358 of course, now we're also using this opportunity 838 00:54:45,429 --> 00:54:48,091 and this hotel room here in New York to meet up with Matt 839 00:54:48,165 --> 00:54:51,157 who's been working on the PowerPoint presentation for Australia, 840 00:54:51,234 --> 00:54:52,826 and to meet up with Patrick 841 00:54:52,903 --> 00:54:56,498 who's been working on animations for Australia as well. 842 00:54:56,573 --> 00:55:00,703 Fortunately we were lucky, too, because Snafu was in town. 843 00:55:00,777 --> 00:55:03,507 He's sort of a European Yes Man. 844 00:55:03,580 --> 00:55:05,673 He's been circulating in the European scene 845 00:55:05,749 --> 00:55:08,240 doing Yes Men-type activities. 846 00:55:08,318 --> 00:55:11,253 But it's a good thing he's here in the States 847 00:55:11,321 --> 00:55:13,653 so he could go to Plattsburgh with us. 848 00:55:13,724 --> 00:55:16,215 Yes, trade liberalization is a religious undertaking. 849 00:55:16,293 --> 00:55:18,853 A project of faith, a crusade of sorts, and it has been 850 00:55:18,929 --> 00:55:22,296 ever since its founders declared that financial success comes from God 851 00:55:22,366 --> 00:55:25,358 and that wealth is a sign of divine favor. 852 00:55:25,435 --> 00:55:29,667 Now, why is starvation a problem? First, the facts. 853 00:55:29,740 --> 00:55:32,834 As we all know, investment and exports have been on the rise... 854 00:55:35,646 --> 00:55:37,307 There's some bad news. 855 00:55:37,381 --> 00:55:40,646 There's some really bad news that came down in the last two days. 856 00:55:41,652 --> 00:55:43,984 The conference in Australia-- 857 00:55:44,054 --> 00:55:46,716 the people from the conference in Australia wrote an e-mail 858 00:55:46,790 --> 00:55:51,454 saying that the conference has been canceled because of low enrollment. 859 00:55:51,528 --> 00:55:54,190 In some ways it's really kind of, I guess, 860 00:55:54,264 --> 00:55:56,596 a nice thing that there was underenrollment 861 00:55:56,667 --> 00:55:58,828 because it was really a hideous conference 862 00:55:58,902 --> 00:56:00,961 and it seemed like a really dire thing 863 00:56:01,038 --> 00:56:03,871 that people would actually want to go to that thing. 864 00:56:03,940 --> 00:56:06,272 And so, it's really encouraging for humanity 865 00:56:06,343 --> 00:56:08,743 that the conference actually has been canceled. 866 00:56:08,812 --> 00:56:12,839 But at the same time, it's really made things difficult for us. 867 00:56:12,916 --> 00:56:14,907 So I wrote back to them as Hildegard West 868 00:56:14,985 --> 00:56:18,648 and I asked them if they would please set up another venue 869 00:56:18,722 --> 00:56:22,317 because Kinnithrung Sprat is already en route to Australia. 870 00:56:22,392 --> 00:56:25,793 So right now I'm waiting to see if they come back to us 871 00:56:25,862 --> 00:56:29,696 with a suggestion that they'll actually have a public presentation, 872 00:56:29,766 --> 00:56:32,496 but since the conference has been canceled, 873 00:56:32,569 --> 00:56:38,098 now the event in Plattsburgh might be the only venue we have for this lecture. 874 00:56:38,175 --> 00:56:41,611 So it's really important now that we get the lecture done and sort of together. 875 00:56:41,678 --> 00:56:48,413 So it's no longer a dress rehearsal. It's actually, like, the final production. 876 00:56:49,986 --> 00:56:51,317 It's about time. 877 00:56:51,388 --> 00:56:53,481 I was so worried about your shoes. 878 00:56:53,557 --> 00:56:56,355 This guy brought real shoes for you. Look. 879 00:56:56,426 --> 00:56:58,257 Do we have the hamburgers yet? 880 00:56:59,062 --> 00:57:01,121 - We have to pick them up. - You mentioned-- 881 00:57:01,198 --> 00:57:03,530 They're ordered. Richard ordered them already. 882 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,431 - That's fantastic. - We pick them up? 883 00:57:05,502 --> 00:57:08,562 Basically, there's this guy named Richard Robbins who I met 884 00:57:08,638 --> 00:57:10,629 at a conference about a month ago, 885 00:57:10,707 --> 00:57:15,508 and he has written several books on globalization. 886 00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:18,843 He was interested in having the WTO 887 00:57:18,915 --> 00:57:21,315 come speak at the Economics Department. 888 00:57:21,384 --> 00:57:24,785 Only he really knows that this isn't really the WTO. 889 00:57:24,855 --> 00:57:27,119 Everybody else will think that it's the WTO. 890 00:57:27,741 --> 00:57:30,437 But another good thing is that it will be a hungry audience, 891 00:57:30,511 --> 00:57:33,503 so there's a good chance they are going to eat those hamburgers, 892 00:57:33,580 --> 00:57:35,741 which we weren't sure was actually gonna happen 893 00:57:35,816 --> 00:57:38,148 with the accountants in Australia. 894 00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,513 I think, for look, I should probably carry these in. 895 00:57:43,590 --> 00:57:45,581 Okay. Can you do it? 896 00:57:45,659 --> 00:57:49,493 I'm thinking that you probably shouldn't be associated with the hamburgers. 897 00:57:49,563 --> 00:57:50,825 Okay. 898 00:57:50,898 --> 00:57:53,298 I'd like to thank everybody for coming. 899 00:57:53,367 --> 00:57:59,033 You have many education choices, and we're all grateful at the WTO 900 00:57:59,106 --> 00:58:02,075 that you have chosen to listen to us for an hour 901 00:58:02,142 --> 00:58:05,475 and to our messages about things that will impact everyone. 902 00:58:05,546 --> 00:58:07,878 I'd like to say that, by joining us here, 903 00:58:07,948 --> 00:58:11,008 you're essentially embarking with us on a mission. 904 00:58:12,052 --> 00:58:14,646 I'd like to start right at the beginning. 905 00:58:14,722 --> 00:58:16,383 As I was saying, 906 00:58:16,457 --> 00:58:20,518 trade liberalization is a project of faith; it's a crusade. 907 00:58:20,594 --> 00:58:22,653 And in any crusade, there are problems. 908 00:58:22,730 --> 00:58:25,392 There are invading armies, there are big blockades. 909 00:58:25,466 --> 00:58:30,301 And one of the problems that we run into in this crusade 910 00:58:30,370 --> 00:58:32,065 is starvation in the Third World. 911 00:58:32,139 --> 00:58:35,472 You may recognize that symbol from those green bins you see... 912 00:58:35,542 --> 00:58:37,737 where cans, bottles, blah, blah. 913 00:58:37,811 --> 00:58:41,645 The kind of recycling I'm talking about that we have developed at the WTO 914 00:58:41,715 --> 00:58:46,778 is...not--not really this irrelevant kind of recycling 915 00:58:46,854 --> 00:58:50,017 where the target-- individual consumers like you and me 916 00:58:50,090 --> 00:58:55,585 or of non-edible industrial products-- is such a tiny part of the problem. 917 00:58:55,662 --> 00:59:00,861 Rather, we're talking about really recycling what counts where it counts. 918 00:59:00,934 --> 00:59:03,095 To begin to understand the theory behind this, 919 00:59:03,170 --> 00:59:06,867 you must first realize that the human body is not really very efficient. 920 00:59:06,940 --> 00:59:11,434 When ingesting heavy foods, only about 20% of the nutrients 921 00:59:11,512 --> 00:59:14,276 are absorbed by the alimentary passageway 922 00:59:14,348 --> 00:59:18,341 while the other 80% finds itself expelled in post-consumer byproducts. 923 00:59:18,418 --> 00:59:19,908 Already 20 years ago, 924 00:59:19,987 --> 00:59:23,821 NASA scientists began to tap into this nutritional gold mine 925 00:59:23,891 --> 00:59:27,383 by developing filters that could transform their astronauts' waste 926 00:59:27,461 --> 00:59:31,591 into healthy, hygienic, and even delicious food once again. 927 00:59:31,665 --> 00:59:33,326 With the use of this technology, 928 00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,393 a single hamburger, for example, can be eaten more than ten times, 929 00:59:37,471 --> 00:59:42,374 providing a cumulative total of three times the nutritional value 930 00:59:42,442 --> 00:59:44,603 of the original fresh hamburger. 931 00:59:44,678 --> 00:59:48,478 Now, again, a certain amount of cultural openness is required 932 00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:51,382 as we investigate solutions. 933 00:59:51,451 --> 00:59:53,476 And I'd love to take any questions. 934 00:59:53,554 --> 00:59:54,612 Yes, you've been-- 935 00:59:54,688 --> 00:59:56,519 Coming from a Third World country, 936 00:59:56,590 --> 01:00:00,424 I found most of what you said pretty offensive. 937 01:00:00,494 --> 01:00:05,329 It's as if everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others. 938 01:00:05,399 --> 01:00:07,390 And...who is to say 939 01:00:07,467 --> 01:00:10,664 whether people in the Third World want a burger? 940 01:00:10,737 --> 01:00:13,900 You know, I, in my heart, sometimes find it to agree 941 01:00:13,974 --> 01:00:17,637 that cultures deserve an equal consideration 942 01:00:17,711 --> 01:00:19,645 perhaps to develop on their own terms, 943 01:00:19,713 --> 01:00:21,044 but we're different. 944 01:00:21,114 --> 01:00:23,776 We're culturally different. We're rich, they're poor. 945 01:00:23,851 --> 01:00:26,319 This is the most humane solution we can come up with 946 01:00:26,386 --> 01:00:28,081 that stays within the market logic. 947 01:00:28,155 --> 01:00:31,818 If it's all right, I could answer a portion of that question, as well. 948 01:00:31,892 --> 01:00:35,919 And this answers the question about desire for the product 949 01:00:35,996 --> 01:00:39,329 because the biggest growth areas are the developing world. 950 01:00:39,399 --> 01:00:43,392 And so, in fact, people do want the product. 951 01:00:43,470 --> 01:00:48,635 We do have a kind of video presentation about this that I came prepared to show. 952 01:00:48,709 --> 01:00:53,339 It's not--the program isn't actually completely ready yet. 953 01:00:55,549 --> 01:01:00,953 So, as you can see here, there's a consumer in the First World 954 01:01:01,021 --> 01:01:04,684 entering McDonald's and consuming a hamburger. 955 01:01:06,393 --> 01:01:11,023 And, afterward, this is the process we're all familiar with. 956 01:01:11,098 --> 01:01:13,225 I don't need to explain it to anyone. 957 01:01:15,269 --> 01:01:17,430 But... 958 01:01:17,504 --> 01:01:20,029 You see, it's rendered out in this style 959 01:01:20,107 --> 01:01:24,476 because studies have shown that consumers are most responsive 960 01:01:24,544 --> 01:01:28,640 to 3-D animation right now, particularly in developing cultures. 961 01:01:30,117 --> 01:01:32,779 So, as you can see, it goes through a piping system, 962 01:01:32,853 --> 01:01:34,514 and this isn't unusual. 963 01:01:34,588 --> 01:01:38,080 We do this for oil. We could do this for food, as well. 964 01:01:38,158 --> 01:01:42,288 And, as you can see, it goes back up through the plumbing... 965 01:01:42,362 --> 01:01:45,354 and emerges in a McDonald's. 966 01:01:45,432 --> 01:01:49,095 Now, the part of this video that isn't completed yet is the filtering process. 967 01:01:49,169 --> 01:01:53,663 There will be a very well-rendered filtering... 968 01:02:04,518 --> 01:02:08,079 As you can see--this might answer somebody's question from before, 969 01:02:08,155 --> 01:02:10,715 but at the McDonald's in a developing country 970 01:02:10,791 --> 01:02:12,782 and, in fact, in this country as well, 971 01:02:12,859 --> 01:02:15,350 you would be able to choose-- the number one, number two, 972 01:02:15,429 --> 01:02:17,294 number three, number four, number five 973 01:02:17,364 --> 01:02:19,992 would no longer refer to combinations of food, 974 01:02:20,067 --> 01:02:23,628 but rather just the number of times the product had been recycled. 975 01:02:25,472 --> 01:02:29,067 We're lucky to be able to partner with the World Trade Organization which, 976 01:02:29,142 --> 01:02:31,042 you know, has slightly different goals. 977 01:02:31,111 --> 01:02:34,103 Of course, McDonald's goals are to profit and grow, 978 01:02:34,181 --> 01:02:35,842 and we hope that we can provide 979 01:02:35,916 --> 01:02:38,407 a nutritious and tasty product in the process. 980 01:02:38,485 --> 01:02:42,649 Our goals are to help McDonald's profit and grow, and all other corporations. 981 01:02:42,723 --> 01:02:45,556 I think you guys-- like, the WTO-- 982 01:02:45,625 --> 01:02:49,686 is kind of lacking kind of, like, a human element, you know? 983 01:02:49,763 --> 01:02:55,633 Like...if you saw-- have you ever seen starving people? 984 01:02:55,702 --> 01:02:57,533 In pictures. Yes. 985 01:02:58,405 --> 01:03:01,465 So, tell me, if you saw somebody starving to death, 986 01:03:01,541 --> 01:03:03,702 you would probably think a lot-- 987 01:03:03,777 --> 01:03:08,976 like, that would kind of hit you in a sensitive place to say, 988 01:03:09,049 --> 01:03:13,884 "Oh, maybe markets and money and this and that don't really mean as much, 989 01:03:13,954 --> 01:03:16,946 and, actually, feeding people means a little bit more." 990 01:03:17,024 --> 01:03:19,959 Well, it is true that there's a personal side of it that-- 991 01:03:20,027 --> 01:03:22,188 I have to say, in the WTO 992 01:03:22,262 --> 01:03:25,925 there are questions that we have about this as human beings, 993 01:03:25,999 --> 01:03:28,797 but we're not as subject-- 994 01:03:28,869 --> 01:03:30,860 we have a kind of firmer grasp on theory. 995 01:03:30,937 --> 01:03:33,770 We are able, fortunately, 996 01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:37,674 to simply direct world trade in a much more theoretical way... 997 01:03:37,744 --> 01:03:41,407 in collaboration with our colleagues at the largest corporations. 998 01:03:41,481 --> 01:03:47,317 So...you know. Yes, probably, if I went to these countries, 999 01:03:47,387 --> 01:03:53,121 I'd feel...l'd think about things a little differently, perhaps. 1000 01:03:53,193 --> 01:03:56,685 But, at the same time, I don't think I would forget all my schooling. 1001 01:03:56,763 --> 01:03:59,596 I don't think I would forget all these theories and so on. 1002 01:03:59,666 --> 01:04:02,999 So, perhaps one day I'll do that. 1003 01:04:03,070 --> 01:04:05,368 This is a money-maker, correct? 1004 01:04:05,439 --> 01:04:09,307 Yes. Well, it's a money-maker, starvation-solver, sure. 1005 01:04:09,376 --> 01:04:12,812 How much did McDonald's pay you to come here and speak this garbage to us? 1006 01:04:12,879 --> 01:04:15,973 Did I see a mouse with an ear growing out of its back? 1007 01:04:16,049 --> 01:04:19,382 How are you going to get around the cultural and legal implications 1008 01:04:19,453 --> 01:04:22,354 of cannibalism and basically asking us to recycle shit? 1009 01:04:51,151 --> 01:04:55,178 The reality is that we already treat people in the Third World 1010 01:04:55,255 --> 01:04:57,723 far worse than we treat our domestic animals. 1011 01:04:57,791 --> 01:05:02,125 That's--that's not saying it's right. It's just saying that's the reality. 1012 01:05:10,570 --> 01:05:12,902 Well, after thinking about it for a little while, 1013 01:05:12,973 --> 01:05:16,306 it seems the Plattsburgh lecture just went great, 1014 01:05:16,376 --> 01:05:20,210 and it went exactly the way we originally expected these lectures to work, 1015 01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,545 which is that, at a certain point, it was like a light bulb's going off 1016 01:05:23,617 --> 01:05:26,017 in the heads of the different people in the audience, 1017 01:05:26,086 --> 01:05:29,681 and they were realizing that it was just too crazy to be real, 1018 01:05:29,756 --> 01:05:31,917 and yet it was sort of based in reality. 1019 01:05:31,992 --> 01:05:35,428 So, you know, they started throwing globes at us, 1020 01:05:35,495 --> 01:05:37,759 they got angry, they got frustrated. 1021 01:05:37,831 --> 01:05:40,095 It worked exactly like we thought it would. 1022 01:05:43,837 --> 01:05:45,270 They don't ask if you believe in it. 1023 01:05:45,338 --> 01:05:48,432 You don't get to vote on World Trade Organization treaties. 1024 01:05:48,508 --> 01:05:51,102 They don't let you vote on it. They don't give you a say. 1025 01:05:51,178 --> 01:05:54,079 They let you listen to the one-sided propaganda. 1026 01:05:54,147 --> 01:05:57,639 Name me a single columnist in America who doesn't stand up and cheer 1027 01:05:57,717 --> 01:05:59,878 under the banner of so-called free trade. 1028 01:05:59,953 --> 01:06:01,511 There's no public discussion, 1029 01:06:01,588 --> 01:06:05,422 there's no dissent in any of the political parties. 1030 01:06:05,492 --> 01:06:08,655 There's no debate, there's no discussion, there's no vote. 1031 01:06:08,728 --> 01:06:13,665 In fact, the only nation which has called for a vote is Brazil, 1032 01:06:13,733 --> 01:06:18,397 which is saying that it will not sign any more trade treaties 1033 01:06:18,471 --> 01:06:20,598 without a plebiscite of its people. 1034 01:06:20,674 --> 01:06:24,337 And the world trade barons are losing their damn minds 1035 01:06:24,411 --> 01:06:29,246 trying to prevent this type of democracy from spreading planet-wide, 1036 01:06:29,316 --> 01:06:32,979 'cause once people know what this stuff is about and get to vote on it, 1037 01:06:33,053 --> 01:06:35,783 no one's gonna vote themselves into poverty. 1038 01:06:39,826 --> 01:06:42,488 Here we go. "Australia country code." 1039 01:06:45,332 --> 01:06:47,129 Australia, 61. It's 61. 1040 01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:48,360 Sixty-one. 1041 01:06:53,473 --> 01:06:57,466 Hi, this is Kinnithrung Sprat from the WTO. 1042 01:06:57,544 --> 01:07:00,206 - <i>Hello. how are you?</i> - Good, thanks. How are you? 1043 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,443 <i>- Where are you now?</i> - I'm in New York at the moment. 1044 01:07:03,516 --> 01:07:05,677 <i>- In New York, are you?</i> - Yes. 1045 01:07:05,752 --> 01:07:11,156 Kinnithrung Sprat just called the person who's coordinating Sprat's visit. 1046 01:07:11,224 --> 01:07:15,160 I'm due in Hong Kong the week after this, 1047 01:07:15,228 --> 01:07:17,219 and that date is firm, 1048 01:07:17,297 --> 01:07:22,030 but my travel to Australia is as yet not firm. Yeah. 1049 01:07:22,102 --> 01:07:25,265 She's actually, it turns out, been e-mailing all these people 1050 01:07:25,338 --> 01:07:27,670 and basically calling journalists 1051 01:07:27,741 --> 01:07:29,936 and getting people to attend his lecture. 1052 01:07:30,010 --> 01:07:34,174 She fully expects him to attend because she had spoken to Hildegard West, 1053 01:07:34,247 --> 01:07:37,375 Sprat's assistant, and Hildegard West had told her 1054 01:07:37,450 --> 01:07:40,510 that everything was on and Sprat was definitely going. 1055 01:07:40,587 --> 01:07:43,078 So now we've just decided we really have to go 1056 01:07:43,156 --> 01:07:46,592 to honor this arrangement with Australia. 1057 01:07:46,660 --> 01:07:49,652 So it's back on now after we totally thought it was off. 1058 01:07:49,729 --> 01:07:53,790 And instead of giving this lecture that we've been planning for, like, nine months, 1059 01:07:53,867 --> 01:07:57,803 we're gonna, like, you know, just disband the WTO. 1060 01:08:00,340 --> 01:08:03,503 Shouldn't we get you a pair of shoes that actually are reasonable? 1061 01:08:03,576 --> 01:08:06,909 They just don't look like dress shoes. They look like wrestling shoes. 1062 01:08:06,980 --> 01:08:09,414 There are no shoes here for you. Never mind. 1063 01:08:09,482 --> 01:08:11,450 No. Shoes are out. 1064 01:08:11,518 --> 01:08:12,507 A tie. 1065 01:08:13,653 --> 01:08:14,915 Around, then... 1066 01:08:17,090 --> 01:08:18,580 Wait--did you try this? 1067 01:08:20,193 --> 01:08:21,455 Yeah. 1068 01:08:23,463 --> 01:08:27,627 I did a set of these with inkjet, and they just don't look as real. 1069 01:08:27,701 --> 01:08:29,635 Something about them. They look... 1070 01:08:29,703 --> 01:08:31,637 - These look perfect. - ...kind of handmade. 1071 01:08:32,305 --> 01:08:34,136 I printed off some letterhead for you. 1072 01:08:34,207 --> 01:08:35,868 - Nice. - You guys already saw that. 1073 01:08:35,942 --> 01:08:38,308 - And I just kept it real simple... - It's perfect. 1074 01:08:38,378 --> 01:08:40,778 ...so that it would show up well on the fax. 1075 01:08:41,748 --> 01:08:44,046 That is the most ridiculous photo. 1076 01:08:44,117 --> 01:08:48,349 There's something really weird about this maniacal public relations guy. 1077 01:08:48,421 --> 01:08:51,322 - A little magnetic strip on the back. - A logo of the WTO. 1078 01:08:51,391 --> 01:08:52,585 Really beautiful. 1079 01:08:54,327 --> 01:08:57,490 You know what I did? I went to Google... 1080 01:08:57,564 --> 01:09:02,399 and I went to Google image search and I typed in, "I.D. card." 1081 01:09:02,469 --> 01:09:05,961 And you wouldn't believe the number of pictures of I.D. cards 1082 01:09:06,039 --> 01:09:07,870 that show up on the Web. 1083 01:09:07,941 --> 01:09:10,808 And I just went through and took a little bit from each one. 1084 01:09:10,877 --> 01:09:14,040 I said, "All right, this one's got a little bar code at the bottom, 1085 01:09:14,114 --> 01:09:16,344 and this one uses the logo over here." 1086 01:09:16,416 --> 01:09:18,407 That is so nice. 1087 01:09:30,029 --> 01:09:32,190 - I know. - Wow. Airplane. 1088 01:09:34,534 --> 01:09:36,229 Where's the rental car area? 1089 01:09:56,322 --> 01:09:58,313 No, I don't know. I'm just really nervous 1090 01:09:58,391 --> 01:10:01,883 'cause this feels different from all the other things that we've done. 1091 01:10:01,961 --> 01:10:08,696 It's not like the same kind of play, fun, crazy, weird, impossible stuff. 1092 01:10:08,768 --> 01:10:10,258 This is sincere, you know. 1093 01:10:10,336 --> 01:10:13,203 It's about replacing the WTO with something better. 1094 01:10:13,273 --> 01:10:16,333 - Do you think that satire is more fun? - Yeah, definitely. 1095 01:10:16,409 --> 01:10:19,640 I got this feeling that it's-- for some reason-- 1096 01:10:19,712 --> 01:10:22,203 maybe it's less fun to be sincere. 1097 01:10:22,282 --> 01:10:24,273 But it is less fun, isn't it? 1098 01:10:24,350 --> 01:10:26,181 In a way, yeah. 1099 01:10:26,252 --> 01:10:31,849 Maybe it's more fun to be satirical than serious. 1100 01:10:31,925 --> 01:10:33,085 Yeah. 1101 01:10:37,697 --> 01:10:39,790 It's about 9:00 in the morning, 1102 01:10:39,866 --> 01:10:42,426 and this is the big day for Kinnithrung Sprat 1103 01:10:42,502 --> 01:10:44,402 to go talk to CPA Australia 1104 01:10:44,471 --> 01:10:46,632 and close down the WTO. 1105 01:10:46,706 --> 01:10:51,905 It's kind of an exciting day for us 'cause we finally get to shut it down. 1106 01:11:06,226 --> 01:11:10,720 I'm writing the local phone number for this cell phone on the business cards. 1107 01:11:10,797 --> 01:11:13,732 So if we give these to journalists or anybody else 1108 01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:18,533 who wants to contact Mr. Sprat--they'll be able to do it in the next couple days. 1109 01:11:20,974 --> 01:11:23,135 We have to leave in ten minutes, though. 1110 01:11:23,209 --> 01:11:24,642 I know. 1111 01:11:24,711 --> 01:11:27,544 I'm just gonna do as little as possible. 1112 01:11:30,683 --> 01:11:34,175 Okay, let's just go by there. We have some time yet. 1113 01:11:34,254 --> 01:11:36,586 Let's just keep walking. Just walk straight. 1114 01:11:36,723 --> 01:11:40,716 Don't look. Don't turn left. Don't... 1115 01:11:40,793 --> 01:11:43,819 Hey, no. Don't. Don't do that. 1116 01:11:45,665 --> 01:11:46,825 Answer it. 1117 01:11:47,767 --> 01:11:49,598 Hello, Michael Bonanno here. 1118 01:11:52,505 --> 01:11:54,063 Hi, Jane. How are you? 1119 01:11:55,675 --> 01:11:59,111 All right, then. I guess we'll see you in just a few minutes. 1120 01:11:59,178 --> 01:12:01,510 And we just come up to level three, then? 1121 01:12:01,581 --> 01:12:04,846 Great. Thank you very much. All right. Bye-bye. 1122 01:12:04,918 --> 01:12:06,010 Run! 1123 01:12:10,890 --> 01:12:12,687 Oh, wait. Shit! This is the building! 1124 01:12:13,192 --> 01:12:14,887 - Thank you for coming. - Thank you for having us. 1125 01:12:14,961 --> 01:12:18,692 Sorry for the confusion and problems and everything else. 1126 01:12:18,765 --> 01:12:20,926 It's to be expected these days, I think. 1127 01:12:21,901 --> 01:12:26,167 No. Thanks for going out of your way to arrange this. This is really terrific. 1128 01:12:31,811 --> 01:12:34,336 Thank you all for coming. I'd like to... 1129 01:12:35,582 --> 01:12:38,983 I'd like to thank the organizers for going out of their way 1130 01:12:39,052 --> 01:12:43,853 to create this panel, this luncheon, 1131 01:12:43,923 --> 01:12:48,019 in the face of some odds--the conference having been canceled, of course. 1132 01:12:48,094 --> 01:12:50,756 And I'd especially like to begin 1133 01:12:50,830 --> 01:12:54,664 by apologizing for a rather sudden change in the program, 1134 01:12:54,734 --> 01:13:01,003 consequent upon a rather dramatic development in Geneva yesterday. 1135 01:13:01,074 --> 01:13:04,908 I originally intended to transmit today an upbeat report 1136 01:13:04,978 --> 01:13:09,915 on some new technologies that affect agribusiness in a global sense. 1137 01:13:09,983 --> 01:13:14,920 Instead, I find myself the messenger of some rather disturbing news. 1138 01:13:14,988 --> 01:13:17,718 The WTO will be issuing a public statement 1139 01:13:17,790 --> 01:13:19,985 in detail by the end of the week. 1140 01:13:20,059 --> 01:13:22,050 But the die has been cast. 1141 01:13:22,128 --> 01:13:24,289 As of September 2002, 1142 01:13:24,364 --> 01:13:26,958 having seen the effects of policies 1143 01:13:27,033 --> 01:13:30,560 whose only intent was to bring greater prosperity and peace, 1144 01:13:30,637 --> 01:13:35,438 the World Trade Organization, in its present form, will cease to exist. 1145 01:13:36,376 --> 01:13:37,866 Over the next two years, 1146 01:13:37,944 --> 01:13:43,007 we at the WTO will endeavor to re-found our organization along different lines, 1147 01:13:43,082 --> 01:13:47,143 based in a different understanding of the purposes of world trade. 1148 01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:51,178 The new organization will have as its foundation and basis 1149 01:13:51,257 --> 01:13:55,091 the United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights, 1150 01:13:55,161 --> 01:13:59,564 upon which we feel we can make a good foundation 1151 01:13:59,632 --> 01:14:02,294 to ensuring that the organization will have human 1152 01:14:02,368 --> 01:14:05,303 rather than business interests as its bottom line. 1153 01:14:05,371 --> 01:14:07,202 My reaction was one of total surprise. 1154 01:14:07,273 --> 01:14:09,104 We were expecting a speech more based 1155 01:14:09,175 --> 01:14:13,111 on what the World Trade Organization does in its relation to Australian trade. 1156 01:14:13,179 --> 01:14:16,171 It sort of blew me out of the water when the announcement was made 1157 01:14:16,249 --> 01:14:19,980 that the World Trade Organization is significantly reinventing itself 1158 01:14:20,053 --> 01:14:25,787 to focus on issues relating to people as opposed to economics-- 1159 01:14:25,858 --> 01:14:28,691 something that hopefully could be of significant benefit 1160 01:14:28,761 --> 01:14:33,095 to the poor and needy throughout the world in all developing countries. 1161 01:14:33,166 --> 01:14:37,330 The U.N. estimates that poor countries-- the poorest countries in the world-- 1162 01:14:37,403 --> 01:14:43,069 lose approximately $2 billion a day because of unjust trade rules, 1163 01:14:43,142 --> 01:14:46,407 many of them instituted by our own organization. 1164 01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:48,743 And this is 14 times the amount 1165 01:14:48,815 --> 01:14:51,545 that they receive in aid from developed countries. 1166 01:14:52,552 --> 01:14:57,216 I thought the speech itself was compelling in terms of its information. 1167 01:14:57,290 --> 01:15:02,887 I was astounded to find that they're actually gonna dismantle the WTO. 1168 01:15:02,962 --> 01:15:07,695 I was also amazed to see that there was a mission that perhaps had failed. 1169 01:15:07,767 --> 01:15:11,100 It's gonna have a huge effect on international business 1170 01:15:11,170 --> 01:15:14,333 and particularly for us as an organization, I feel. 1171 01:15:14,407 --> 01:15:18,138 The hardest thing, I find, will be the balance that, let's say, 1172 01:15:18,211 --> 01:15:20,736 the U.S., E.U., and Japan-- 1173 01:15:20,813 --> 01:15:24,544 in terms of being major components of the world economy-- 1174 01:15:24,617 --> 01:15:28,451 the effect--will they really change in terms of this new organization, 1175 01:15:28,521 --> 01:15:31,183 and will there actually be genuine change 1176 01:15:31,257 --> 01:15:34,590 and perhaps a benefit to the world's poorest countries? 1177 01:15:34,660 --> 01:15:37,754 I must admit I'm a cynic with regards to that occurring. 1178 01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:41,095 Liberalization-- the process of liberalization 1179 01:15:41,167 --> 01:15:43,226 often enables the knowledge of the poor 1180 01:15:43,302 --> 01:15:47,170 to be converted into the property of global corporations. 1181 01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:50,607 Specific statistics are rather shocking. 1182 01:15:50,676 --> 01:15:59,277 Out of 26,000 patents applied for in Africa in 2000 and 2001, 1183 01:15:59,352 --> 01:16:03,186 only 31 were from residents of Africa. 1184 01:16:03,256 --> 01:16:06,089 The rest were from residents of first world countries. 1185 01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:10,220 31 out of 26,000 patent applications. 1186 01:16:10,296 --> 01:16:11,957 It wasn't what I was expecting. 1187 01:16:12,031 --> 01:16:14,022 I was expecting something on agribusiness 1188 01:16:14,100 --> 01:16:16,591 and what the World Trade Organization does. 1189 01:16:16,669 --> 01:16:20,264 But I'd have to say I believe it's fairly positive 1190 01:16:20,339 --> 01:16:24,070 because I think that, as the gentleman said, 1191 01:16:24,143 --> 01:16:27,510 the strong are getting stronger, and the weak are getting weaker. 1192 01:16:27,580 --> 01:16:29,411 And you can't let that keep on going. 1193 01:16:29,482 --> 01:16:31,313 Even we notice it here in Australia 1194 01:16:31,384 --> 01:16:34,979 with some of the trade arrangements that are made. 1195 01:16:35,054 --> 01:16:37,318 If you're powerful, you can get whatever you like, 1196 01:16:37,390 --> 01:16:39,221 and if you're not, you can't. 1197 01:16:39,292 --> 01:16:42,784 The world, with the population we've got, can't keep going that way. 1198 01:16:42,862 --> 01:16:44,454 So I think it was fairly positive, 1199 01:16:44,530 --> 01:16:47,192 and I think it's a very brave decision by an organization 1200 01:16:47,266 --> 01:16:50,758 to admit that they've been going down the wrong track and dissolve themselves 1201 01:16:50,837 --> 01:16:54,637 and start to look for something different. And I think it's fantastic. 1202 01:16:54,707 --> 01:16:57,039 Disparity is growing between rich and poor. 1203 01:16:57,109 --> 01:16:59,600 The richest fifth have 80% of the world's income, 1204 01:16:59,679 --> 01:17:02,011 and the poorest fifth have 1%. 1205 01:17:02,081 --> 01:17:04,140 This gap--we all know this figure, 1206 01:17:04,217 --> 01:17:09,814 but we don't always remember that this gap has actually doubled since 1960. 1207 01:17:09,889 --> 01:17:13,222 More and more thinkers are therefore noting 1208 01:17:13,292 --> 01:17:16,784 that there is no evidence that liberalization favors growth 1209 01:17:16,863 --> 01:17:18,592 or benefits the poor. 1210 01:17:18,664 --> 01:17:21,326 I think we're all generally aware of increases in poverty 1211 01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:24,494 and low living standards and issues faced by developing countries. 1212 01:17:24,570 --> 01:17:28,734 And what Mr. Sprat had to say today really is a terrific sign of hope 1213 01:17:28,808 --> 01:17:31,834 for what I think we all aspire to, 1214 01:17:31,911 --> 01:17:35,847 and that's a global economy that benefits all people. 1215 01:17:44,056 --> 01:17:47,958 Now, after protected, protracted, and detailed review 1216 01:17:48,027 --> 01:17:51,793 of current trade policy, the World Trade Organization has decided 1217 01:17:51,864 --> 01:17:54,856 to affect a cessation of all operations 1218 01:17:54,934 --> 01:17:57,425 to be accomplished over the next four months 1219 01:17:57,503 --> 01:18:00,939 culminating by the end of September... 1220 01:18:01,007 --> 01:18:03,840 Well, I think that the Yes Men 1221 01:18:03,910 --> 01:18:05,639 have kind of played out their course 1222 01:18:05,711 --> 01:18:08,874 in relation to the World Trade Organization for the moment. 1223 01:18:08,948 --> 01:18:12,145 You never know when we might get another invitation. 1224 01:18:12,218 --> 01:18:17,520 We were lucky to be able to provide a sort of sense of closure by ending the WTO. 1225 01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:20,582 We also hope that other people will just start doing the same things 1226 01:18:20,660 --> 01:18:22,491 in all kinds of different contexts-- 1227 01:18:22,561 --> 01:18:28,022 impersonating whoever holds power that needs to be criticized. 1228 01:18:28,100 --> 01:18:31,160 So if the opportunity arises, we're just gonna keep doing it. 1229 01:18:31,237 --> 01:18:34,638 We're gonna go and... be the Yes Men again, 1230 01:18:34,707 --> 01:18:37,642 or I should say, be the WTO again in another event. 1231 01:18:37,710 --> 01:18:40,543 The future's bright for the Yes Men. 1232 01:18:40,613 --> 01:18:44,549 The future of the world is a different story. 1233 01:19:19,185 --> 01:19:22,586 No, this isn't the way he usually dresses. 1234 01:19:22,655 --> 01:19:26,182 He works for the World Trade Organization--you know, the WTO. 1235 01:19:26,258 --> 01:19:29,421 He works-- see, we're at a conference, 1236 01:19:29,495 --> 01:19:33,261 and he's demonstrating a new kind of technology. 1237 01:19:33,332 --> 01:19:38,292 This is--well, it's a device to measure employee working 1238 01:19:38,371 --> 01:19:40,498 in less developed countries. 1239 01:19:40,573 --> 01:19:44,304 There's a thing here where... 1240 01:19:44,377 --> 01:19:48,279 on this screen I can see... 1241 01:19:48,347 --> 01:19:51,316 See, he watches people working there. 1242 01:19:51,384 --> 01:19:54,444 And they have little devices that give them shocks. 1243 01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,511 It's just regular fabric. 1244 01:19:56,589 --> 01:19:59,922 In the future, it'll be sensitive-smart fabric. 1245 01:19:59,992 --> 01:20:01,584 It's a little hot, but... 1246 01:20:02,862 --> 01:20:04,193 That one looks better.